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3454. Circus training, equipment, 02 Sep 2010 - I am writing an article on circus training and history of equipment. 1. I have found that Elan Jacques Shermacher was the first to perform on Spanish web. But I can't find any other info on him. When? Where? etc. 2. Also, when did aerial tissue begin. I found 2 very conflicting dates on that, one being 1959 at the French Circus School, another being Andre Simard in 1995 with Cirque du Soleil. Thanks for your time! Beth Brier/Director, Dance & Circus Arts of Tampa Bay, www.danceandcircusarts.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3453. Ed Jabczynski, teeter-board, 30 Aug 2010 - I’m looking for information about the Ringling Bros. teeter-board group from 1977. Specifically information about a man by the name of Ed Jabczynski. Thank you. Tina & Matt. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3452. Barnum & Bailey land, 30 Aug 2010 - There was a man who sold a small parcel of land to Barnum and Bailey Circus in Oceanside, NY. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3451. Frank Mills, 28 Aug 2010 - I am looking for anyone who knew my father Frank Mills. He was the canvasman on Olson and Link Shows in the late 60's and early 70's. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Heather Mills, HeatherMills@insightbb.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3450. Aerial Lazellas, 28 Aug 2010 - My parents - Wilbur Richard Coleman LaZella and my mother Helen Louise and my sisters and brothers - Weegee (Phyllis), Miliicent (Deedo), Teddy and Mike were performers called the Aerial Lazellas. I have numerous flyers, articles pictures etc. of the act and many other things. What I am trying to find out: 1. does anyone out there have any recollection of them, any stories, memories etc. 2. What circuses did they perform with and during what years. 3. Does anyone have any pictures etc. of them. My father was a clown and trapeze with my mother - my sister worked on the ladder and the web - my brothers were clowns etc. and they had a trick acobatic house called THAT UNHAPPY FAMILY. Please respond to my email at withoutid4616@msn.com. Elizabeth LaZella. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3449. Lew Rich, Rolf's Circus, 26 Aug 2010 - I am researching a clown by the name of Lew Rich aka Bozo Kelly - he was a friend of my grandfather's - I found some Billboard articles referencing him from 1955 & 1956. I came across a couple of original clown paintings by him, remember meeting him in the early 70's (he was in a wheelchair at the time) and was wondering if anyone knew more of his history.
Also, on a side note (history is strange) - I moved from CT, close to the Barnum Museum, to northern Illinois in 1982. My daughter's father's side of the family (in Wisconsin) also had a circus background - it was called Rolf's Circus and all I know is her grandparents were close friends with Gunther Gebel Williams (didn't even know who he was, just remember them talking about Gunther all the time). While plenty is available on him, can't seem to find out about the family circus and where the connection to Gunther came from. Any help appreciated, thanks! Terri. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3448. Jack and Bonnie Norman, 25 Aug 2010 - I am searching for information/photos of my great aunt and uncle named Jack and Bonnie Norman. I found a link to a message on google, but upon scanning down the entire page couldn't find the whole message/question from Norman Searna. He was asking about info on a "Edward Seago" and mentioned Bonnie's name as a performer trained by "Sweetpea". I'm thinking this could be my great aunt as she worked for James E. Strates show until her death. Apparently, after my great uncle, Jack Norman, passed away in the early or mid 80's, the folks who worked at the carnival (not sure if this was a defunct version of the Strates show or what) ransacked his trailer and either stole or disposed of all his belongings, including photos. This has left me trying to search for any information on them. Any guidance or help you could provide would be immensely appreciated. All the best, Nicole Dana, proud great niece. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3447. Masterson’s circus, 25 Aug 2010 - Does anyone have any information on a Masterson’s travelling circus which I understand toured America sometime around the early 1900’s. The story has persisted in my family that the Masterson’s owned a circus, but so far I‘ve not been able to find any information to validate this. All I know is that the Masterson family originated in Co Carlow in Ireland. Regards, Bob Coyle. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 25 Aug 2010 - Robert L. Parkinson's Directory of American Circuses lists a Masterson's Show for 1911, L. Topping, proprietor. J. Griffin.
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3446. Ms Kotoa Shimakura, 24 Aug 2010 - It seems as if this Japanese lady worked for Barnum and Bailey in London in the early 1900s as a magician. She died in London in 1902 and was described in hospital records as a widow. I would like to hear from anyone who has information on her or on her husband. Google suggests that there was a magican called "Shimakura" working in the Boston area in 1898. Regards, Peter, London UK. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3445. Flying Nelsons, Carl Meltzer, 21 Aug 2010 - Looking for any information on Carl Meltzer. According to his 2004 obituary in the New York Sun, Carl Meltzer joined The Fling Nelsons at the age of 15, which would make it in approximately 1923. and toured with them in the Ringling Bros. Barnum & Bailey Circus. According to the obituary, " Meltzer recalled to a family friend how the fliers would signal each other during the act: 'One boy would shout in Italian, 'You have an ugly face!' and I would shout back in German, 'You are a nut!' and when we heard each other, we knew it was right. The obituary continues, "His circus career came to a nearly catastrophic end at Eau Clair, Wis., where Meltzer took up a dare to dive from an 80-foot tower into a tiny tank of water." After a muliti-faceted career, including vaudeville with "The Versatile Steppers, he founded a childrens' camp named Camp Chic-a-Lac near Liberty, NY which he operated from 1954 to 1965. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Bob Eber, email: chicalac@gmail.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3444. Mark David Pilger, 19 Aug 2010 - I would like to find all I can on Mark David Pilger Flying Trapeze The King of the air. He was a very close friend of mine in the early eighties. I knew him very well when he worked for Jim and Heidi, preforming at the Florida State Fair etc. From the Helicopter. We kind of lost track of each other through the years. I was trying to contact him when I found he past away September 13, 2008. He didn't live to far away from me. He was a true friend to me. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Pictures anything. Thank you so much, Nathan M. Williams. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3443. Billy Barton, 17 Aug 2010 - I have been trying to research Billy Barton (my father's first cousin) and the cloud swing act that he performed. The pictures that I have found so far are not very good showing his act. I know that he died in 2005, but I have very little information about him other than he spent his whole life in the circus. I wish I had asked his father Lew Barton more questions about his and Billy's life but Uncle Lew died in 1970 and at age 24, I never thought much about extended family. Any help that anyone can give me or a direction that I might research would be helpful. Betty Waldron (betty613@gmail.com). Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3442. Circus relatives, 17 Aug 2010 - Do you have any information about Dippy Diers or Dizzy? How about Loa Vivian Diers? Mars A Foreit? Mars Bennett? Maude Foley? They are relatives that were in the circus and I was looking up history. Thanks, Marcella (Foreit) Zinser. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3441. Chameleons, 17 Aug 2010 - What year(s) did some of the circus' sell live chameleons to be worn as a pin on ladies dresses? Lynda. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 18 Aug 2010 - There are numerous entries in Google for the sale of chameleons in the post-WWII era. A good article about the trade, Tom Parkinson's "Life Among Lizards Not Always Rosy," Billboard, January 5, 1957, pages 1 and 56, dates their first sale to 1905, with a presence on circuses by the early 1920s. The article is available on-line via Google Books. You will find past CHS query 2927 to be of further interest. Fred Dahlinger
Reply: 18 Aug 2010 - Live Chameleons on a string tied to a safety pin were sold at Polack Bros in 1949. I’m not sure that the target was ladies for their dresses. I remember mostly parents buying them as pets for their children. RAG
Reply: 19 Aug 2010 - RBBB also sold small turtles in boxes. I recall that specifically from 1942 when a girl who went to the show with us bought one. Her mother had given her $5 to spend and she used it all. That was extravagant. In 1942 $5 was worth $65 in today's dollars. RJR
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3440. Photos, 1850-1950, 17 Aug 2010 - Greetings, I am a fiction writer researching historic circus photos, specifically ones with ornate circus wagons. I'm looking for 3-5 photos from the 1850-1950 era that include circus performers, parades, big tents, animals - but most importantly include a recognizable circus wagon off to the side or in the background. These photos would be used in a "book trailer" - a brief 20-second online video to promote my upcoming short story publication (about a haunted circus wagon in modern times). The historical images would show a kind of prologue, as snapshots of circus culture for over a century beforehand. My publisher is small, and promotion being my responsibility, I wanted to show something of the rich circus history that has fascinated me in my research. If you have any photos to share, please contact me. - Andrew Fuller. my email is asfuller AT owlsoup DOT com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3439. Wheeler Big Show, 16 Aug 2010 - Hi: I was looking for a photo for Wheeler Big Show for my town's newspaper to go along with the entry in our 100 years ago this month column the Wheeler Big Show and came across your site. I take it this might be of interest to you, it's from out September 16, 1910 paper. Michael.
Flying Machine Coming. Professor Perriot and his wonderful aircraft “Skyscraper” will appear here in two sensational flights with the Wheeler Big Shows, which will exhibit here on September 27. Many other new and exclusive features have been added this season, including Wheeler’s Dancing Horses, Educated Ponies, Dogs and Mules, World’s Greatest High School Horses, Marvelous Troops of Acrobats and Aerialist, and a host of happy, mirth provoking clowns. Also enjoy a tremendous free spectacular street parade at noon. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3438. Windham NY, 16 Aug 2010 - Dear Sirs, Did the Great Amburgh Circus pass through Windham NY, perhaps known as Osbornville at the time? Possibly 1876? Did Barnum or any circus travel through this area prior to 1900? Or around that time? I am attempting a painting called The Circus comes to Windham NY and I would appreciate any information you can supply. Sincerely, Robert Cepale, art website: www.robcepaleart.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 17 Aug 2010 - The Van Amburgh Great Golden Menagerie only played in Windham, New York on October 23, 1876. Ted Bowman Circus Route Collection
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3437. Printing blocks, 14 Aug 2010 - Recently, I bought 4 "mastheads" (not sure if this is the right term - but the seller called them this believing they were used for graphics in publishing). I was told that they are the printing blocks for posters for circuses, carnivals, and amusement shows as well as billboards.
They are maple boards-- about 39" long and 8" wide and each has the name of a different show carved into it: Amusements of America, W. R. Geren Presents Mighty Hoosier State Shows, Groscurth's Blue Grass Shows, and a 2-sided sign: Side 1 reads: Cetlin & Wilson Shows and Side 2 reads: George Clyde Smith Shows.
The seller explained that they were likely hand carved and hand routered as it was before the age of computers. The boards and the letters have a wash of blue ink on them which makes them really beautiful - and these seemed to speak to me just as the very old, hand made carnival punks I collect. However, unlike old fashioned printer's type blocks which has letters that are raised or stand higher than the rest of the block, the letters on these are carved into the board or recessed as a "negative" image. I guess ink could have been rolled over these boards, and then perhaps the poster paper or banners were placed on top-- but I am not even convinced that they were used to print show advertising.
I can send pics if that would help. I'm hoping you could tell me what they were used for - and when they were used as well. Also, if you know the value for these, I'd be interested as I can't find anything like them online. If you don't know anything about these, could you refer me to someone else who might know? I so appreciate your time and am hoping you'll respond. Best, Diane. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 16 Aug 2010 - These are just what the seller told you. They were used at the top of posters to put a title on them. In your case the title would have white letters on a blue background, assuming they were printed on white paper. Read about letterpress printing at this site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterpress_printing. Regards, Dave
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3436. Sautelle canal boat Circus, 13 Aug 2010 - Does anyone have any photos of the Sig Sautelle canal boat Circus from NY State? Don Kowell, Syracuse NY. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3435. Barnum 1897, 12 Aug 2010 - John Lincoln travelled to England 1896/7 with the circus. Does anyone know what his job was? Any help appreciated. Dave. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3434. Al G. Barnes train fire, 11 Aug 2010 - There was a train that caught on fire, carrying the horses of Al G. Barnes 12 horse Liberty Team. All horses parished in this fire. It happened in Nord, California, Butte County, near Chico, CA. sometime in the 1920's. I would like to know if I can find the exact date of this tragedy. Thanking you, Pat. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 12 Aug 2010 - The fire took place the evening of Sept.30/Oct. 1 1924 during a move from Chico, CA to Willows, CA. An account of this appears in an article written by Joe Bradbury for The White Tops Nov/Dec 1963 on page 13. Flint.
Reply: 13 Aug 2010 - Pat, found this old newspaper clipping: Circus Horses Burn to Death - San Francisco, Oct.1, 1924 - Thirty high class horses of the Al G. Barnes circus were burned to death at Nord, Calif., today when the second section of the circus train caught fire. The animals were valued at $25,000. The fire was caused by the explosion of a lantern. Tom
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3433. William Murphy, 11 Aug 2010 - I have just found this website and it is so interesting, I wondered if anyone could help me find any information about my husbands Great Uncle. His name was William Thomas G Murphy he was born in Sheffield England in 1877, we believe he emigrated to Canada around 1900 and worked for a circus. Family folklore tells that him and his sons became a flying trapeze act around 1920 in Canada any information would be greatly appreciated. Lindsay. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3432. Garcienetti Family circus, 10 Aug 2010 - My great-grandmother, Amelia Finnotto, joined the circus in Milan, Italy. She met her husband, Emmanuel Garcia, who was in the circus in Madrid, Spain. This was around the late 1800's before Barnum joined with Bailey. They then had two sons and had a circus name of 'The Garcienetti Family'. Their act consisted of Amelia stacking her husband and two sons on her arms and shoulders like a pyramid. Any further information on them would be greatly appreciated, such as where the fairgrounds in Milan and Madrid were, etc.
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3431. William Milton Reed, 09 Aug 2010 - I am doing research on my family history and found that my GGGgrandfather William Milton Reed went with a traveling circus in or near Middlefield New York in the county of Otsego. All I really know is he died and was buried there. He was married to Martha Truax Reed and had one son. What I am hoping is that you have some record or information on him that can assist me in my search. You can reach me at this email address. I look forward to hearing from you about this matter. Thank you so much for you time. Katy, hasakate@juno.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 10 Aug 2010 - Posting the birth and death dates of the person of interest is a fundamental step in starting any research on a person. They set forth a possible timing for their participation in the circus business. Do you have them for Mr. Reed? Have you checked census records or other local documentation for him? Was he a farmer, a man familiar with work horses?
Otsego County is not too far south of Utica, NY, where Alexander Robinson (1812-1887) resided and sometimes quartered his circus (organized in 1861). There's a brief biography of him on this website, under Slout's "Olympians of the Sawdust Circle." You can navigate there by going to the home page and then to the History icon on the left margin. The entry was based in part on the New York Times of March 2, 1887, which is available on-line and also contains an inaccuracy or two. Further information on the Robinson family genealogy is in Richard E. Conover's book "Give 'Em a John Robinson."
"Olympians" lists a William Reed as boss hostler (the man in charge of the "baggage stock," the work horses of the circus) for the John Robinson circus, 1866, 1871 and 1872, sources not given (possibly "New York Clipper" rosters?), but a check of the rosters in the back of Gil Robinson's book "Old Wagon Show Days" lists Aleck Reed in 1866, 1871, 1872 [A. Reed] and 1873. Whether they are one and the same person I don't know. Sometimes people were given nicknames based on their past life experiences. "Aleck" might be a derivative of Alexander; Alexander Robinson was listed as Aleck Robinson in the Robinson book rosters. Steve Albasing, a Ringling wardrobe man, was nicknamed "101 Heck," after having served on the Miller Bros. & Arlington 101 Ranch Wild West.
It may also be pertinent that W. W. Cole wintered his circus in Utica, NY in the winter of 1881-1882, opening there in the spring. There's coverage of this in "The Ways of the Circus" and also Slout's "Chilly Billy."
The above is not intended to limit the search or the possibilities of employment for your ancestor, but only to suggest two possible affiliations based upon the limited information provided. Fred Dahlinger
Reply: 16 Aug 2010 - Thank you for that information but I see that William M. Reed died in 1849 in Middlefield NY. I do know that he was just released from NYS Penitentiary and thats about it. Anything else you can add to assist me would be appreciated or anyone else. Thank you, Cathleen J. Palmatier
Reply: 17 Aug 2010 - Your best source for information on the circus before 1849 will be Stuart Thayer's book, "Annals of the American Circus 1793-1860." Perhaps you can obtain it via interlibrary loan. The index doesn't list your ancestor, but frankly few workingmen ever gained recognition beyond a place on the payroll list, unless they did something noteworthy, or bad. You might scan local newspapers, and also the routes listed in Thayer, to see which circuses and menageries may have come into the area. Often locals just tagged along to see the world or find cheap transportation elsewhere. After fulfilling their desire for wanderlust, they often returned home. Fred Dahlinger
Reply: 25 Aug 2010 - Fred Dahlinger, Thank you very much for you time and information. Cross your fingers : ) Thanks again, Kate
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3430. Hoxie Bros Circus, 09 Aug 2010 - Hi, I was a billposter for Hoxie Bros Circus for 5 years during the 1970's. We travelled from our Sweetwater, Miami, winterquarters up the East Coast and back. There are cherished photo contact sheets, and newspaper articles in my possession that I'd like to donate somewhere effective. Is anyone able to put me in contact with an organization who would value these? Celia Guida, cguida@cox.net. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 10 Aug 2010 - Greetings, There are certainly several Institutions of Academia and the Circus both that would cherish your collection. At the drop of a pin, I would suggest the Circus World Museum in Baraboo, Wisconsin or the Ringling Museums in Sarasota, FL, as both having great circus collections. Academically, I highly recommend the Illinois State University and their incredible Special Collections Division of the Milner Library. Princeton University has a good collection of Circus Posters on line for your viewing pleasure. I would aslo offer an alternative idea first. There are several people who have circus blogs that offer photos and stories of the circus for one and all on the internet to read, see, learn from and enjoy. Without a doubt, the most well seen blog is operated by legendary elephant trainer, Buckles Woodcock. I would ask you to consider allowing a Circus blog of your choice to post these items in your collection for the world to see before you kindly donate them to a final resting place. Sadly, with the huge Circus collections, many items don't get seen by many at all once they get in a Museum, Library or other holdings. Please visit Ken Young's website at www.kenyoung.net/circus.html to find a wide variety of circus blogs, Museums, and Circus related Associations. I hope this helps. Bob Cline
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3429. Elephant, Glasgow, 05 Aug 2010 - Re: Circus elephant in Glasgow around l941. Do you have information/photo's? GM. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3428. Linda Davis, Sky Kings, 03 Aug 2010 - In 1957, my sister, Linda Davis, was a member of Bill Atterbury's Sky Kings. At the Oklahoma City Bicentennial in 1957, a picture appeared in the newspaper of her on a small platform off the top of a building. Does anyone know where I might be able to find a copy of this picture? Moana L. Davis, La Mesa, California. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 05 Aug 2010 - You could try contacting the newspaper [the "Daily Oklahoman" was quoted in an Atterbury advertisement] that published the image, to determine if they retained the print in their photo "morgue." If the newspaper no longer exists, their photographic holdings may have passed to a local library or historical society. If it's a publicity still that was supplied by the booking agent or Atterbury, monitoring on-line auctions might be a possibility; more than one copy would likely exist. You might also contact dealers who sell such materials on-line or directly at their shops. Fairs that have maintained a photo archive, such as the Minnesota State Fair, might also have retained prints of acts at the fair. Atterbury was booked into St. Paul at least once.
If you do a Google search for "Sky Kings" + Atterbury, one hit will be an Atterbury advertisement in the June 26, 1954 issue of "The Billboard," which includes an image of a double sway pole act. A hit for the May 27, 1957 issue doesn't list anyone named Linda, but she may have been part of an ensemble presentation. Bill Atterbury and partner Darrell Hornbeck were operating their Atterbury and Hornbeck Enterprises out of a 40-acre site at Springfield, MO at the time and had a Chicago agent, Ernie Young Agency, booking their acts. Fred Dahlinger
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3427. Crawford Droege, 02 Aug 2010 - Henry H.and Susie C. Droege of Dunkirk NY had a son, Crawford H. Droege who was a clown with Downie Brothers Circus. Crawford was born ca. 1897. Henry was a cashier and then a banker in Dunkirk. He and his wife retired to Fredonia NY in 1924. Doug Shepard. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3426. Heinz Bros., Grace Burton, 01 Aug 2010 - Hi, I am looking for any information on the Heinz Bros. Show. I am looking for information on a show girl named Grace Burton. I think she worked for the Heinz Bros. Show in 1917. The show was possibly traveling in Illinois in 1917. Thanks in advance for any info, Kristi, crookedface@wildblue.net. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 03 Aug 2010 - Heinz Bros. wasn't a circus, unless it's one that's fallen through the cracks of history. There was a Heinz Bros. traveling carnival. McKennon's book "Pictorial History of the American Carnival" lists: Heinz & Beckman 1915; Ed Heinz 1916; and Heinz Bros. 1917-1929. It was a railroad show for at least part, if not all of its existence; in 1915 it was a fairly substantial 24 to 26-car operation. The status after Beckman went elsewhere is unknown to me. I don't recall seeing any significant writing about the show or its principals, other than long time showman Fred Beckman, who was profiled by McKennon in his Vol. II, pages 7-9.
There are references to Heinz & Beckman in 1915 issues of the "New York Clipper," and probably the "Billboard." If you can obtain those journals for 1917 on microfilm, via interlibrary loan, they might provide further information about Grace Burton. Sometimes they printed show rosters and you may learn what Ms. Burton did from them. The journals also printed the show routes, which would confirm or refute the possible presence in Illinois.
I know of no major repository of material on the Heinz operation. There is a piece or two of Heinz business correspondence, filed with the William P. Hall Papers in the Circus World Museum library, but they don't relate to ms. Burton and are from 1920. They may reveal the show winter quarters, and that might be a location to initiate a search for additional Heinz documentation, including information about Ed Heinz. Fred Dahlinger
Reply: 05 Aug 2010 - Mr Dahlinger, I want to thank you for your reply. Wow, I am really excited about the information. I have a letter that was written by Grace Burton in 1917. She stated that she was a show girl in the Heinz Bros. Show. I am trying to confirm if this was her real name or a stage name. She gave up a baby for adoption in 1916. This letter was part of the correspondence with the adoptive parents. On the adoption deed she was widowed, then she stated her husband was looking for the baby to take it away. If that weren't enough she then claimed that she was divorced. She claimed the baby was born in Texas but all signs point to St Louis, MO. I think the only true statement was her association with the Heinz Bros. Show. If I can find some traces of her and confirm her claims that she was a show girl in the Heinz Bros. Show, then this will help me. Her biological grand-daughter has asked me to help find out what I can. Kristi
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3425. James W. Wohtowicz, 01 Aug 2010 - Dear Friends: Over ten years ago, James W. Wohtowicz authored an excellent book entitled "W. F. Cody - Buffalo Bill - Collector's Guide with values". At the time, we had communicated fairly regularly. Over the years I have misplaced his home address and email address. I have some information on BB that I believe he would be interested. Can someone help me with his address (RFSabia@widomaker.com) Thanks for your help. Best, Robert f. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3424. Alexander and Payne 1884, 31 Jul 2010 - Has anyone heard of Alexander and Payne 1883-84? I am tying to find out about them, billed in 1883 as comedians and skaters, but listed in the curcus/amusement section of a Jan 1884 paper. They said they were coming to USA for 1884 season. I believe Alexander's last name was Todd, but it listed him as Alec Payne, so I am trying to confirm it. He married Julia Stevens about 1883 in Edinburgh, Scotland. Any info would at least be a lead for me, and much appreciated. love_lucy. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 03 Aug 2010 - Lucy, A search of the Era theatrical newspaper, in the 19th Century British Library Newspapers Collection, will reveal various adverts/reports of these two appearing at provincial UK Music Halls etc. (If you live in the UK your local library should be able to help you, or point you in the right direction to gain free on-line access). Paul Griffiths
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3423. Frank Gardner, 30 Jul 2010 - My grandfather"s name was Frank Gardner and supposed to have been in the circus. We have little info on him but do have a picture when he was in the circus, so if there are any pictures of Frank Gardner I could compare to see if it is really him. Elizabet. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 05 Aug 2010 - Posting the birth and death years, and the locales of residence of the Frank Gardner of interest to you may help to refine his identity. What is revealed in the photo of him reportedly taken on the circus? The most famous Frank A. Gardner (1855-1905) in the circus business was a rider and a proprietor. You can see an image of Frank Gardner on this website at: http://www.circushistory.org/History/BiosF.htm There's a biography there and also in Slout's Olympians, also on this website. Go to the history button on the home page and follow it. Fred Dahlinger
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3422. John Baptista Raso, 28 Jul 2010 - My grandfather John Baptista Raso was in the Oklahoma Bill's Wild West and Indian Congress in 1913. I found a letter in a box asking my grandfather to return for the 1914 season from Major Charles F. Rhodes, proprietor and manager. I am trying to find out more information. I have a trifold postcard, with the whole troupe. Please send me some information if possible or point me in the right direction. My e-mail is raso_bitkower @yahoo.com. Sincerely, Ellen Raso Bitkower. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 05 Aug 2010 - A roster for the 1914 Oklahoma Bill's Wild West can be found in "Billboard," March 28, 1914, page 49. Other issues of "Billboard" and New York Clipper" may contain further references to Mr. Raso. Rhodes (died 1932, age 58) had a long and interesting career in show business, most frequently associated with exposition attractions, but also including traveling shows, notably the 1910 Young Buffalo Wild West. If you trace his career, you might find additional references to your grandfather. Attraction contractors formed relationships with responsible performers and perhaps Rhodes employed your grandfather more than one time. There are brief rosters for Rhodes 1913 and 1914 ventures on the CHS website. Simply Google "Major C. F. Rhodes" and they will be listed. The 1914 operation may have been at Point Breeze Park, Philadelphia, all season. In 1915, Rhodes was at the San Francisco Pan Pacific Exposition, opening for the Miller Bros. 101 Ranch, and perhaps your grandfather followed him there. Fred Dahlinger
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3421. Steven's Great Australian Circus, 28 Jul 2010 - Wm O'Dale Stevens, (of Wm O'Dale Stevens Australian Circus,1883) of was born into a circus/vaudeville family. His mother was Elizabeth, and his father Henry Peter (HP) Stevens. HP died during a circus performance in Madagascar, aprox 1872, his wife Elizabeth accompanied his body that was shipped back to England. I have Googled and searched all Wm O'Dale articles and can not find the name of the circus his father may have been in. Except for one of the photos that I have has writing on the back that says "Steven's Great Australian Circus", but I kinda thought it meant O'Dales Circus, because the name was so similiar? Does anyone have info on where I can find the circus' that traveled to Madagascar in 1872? Has anyone heard of Steven's Great Australian Circus? I'll appreciate any leads or even a history lesson, lol. Thanks. love_lucy. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 05 Aug 2010 - There is the distinct possibility that Stevens wasn't with or operating a circus per se at the time, based upon earlier operations. He might have been appearing on a theater stage with other family members, and fellow traveling performers. A Google search turned up the Wellington, New Zealand, Independent for 19 December 1865. It carried an advertisement for Professor Stevens' English Troupe, which included Pablo Fanque and a seven-year old William O'Dale Stevens on the trapeze. "Professor Stevens's English Troupe" can also be found in 1866 New Zealand newspapers. Here's the website for New Zealand newspapers: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
There's a similar website for Australian newspapers: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper. An April 1865 entry exists for Stevens International Circus, so the man may have been using different venues and formats depending upon the time of year and locale. No hits popped up for either the father or the son, so some additional searching is mandated.
Rationally, it would seem that an Australian or International-titled circus could have served as an identification for the troupe as they turned towards England. Thus, ascertaining the identity of the troupe while in Australia seems to be a logical step in your search. The 1883 "New York Clipper" obituary of William O'Dale Stevens, which presumably served to support a cameo biography in Slout's recent "Olympians of the Sawdust Circle" [both on this website, under "history" on the home page] suggest that the family went, in sequence, from Australia to Madagascar, where the elder Henry Peter Stevens reportedly passed away in 1872. The last mentioned information would seem to have originated with family members, at the time of the son's passing in 1883. Is there any external corroboration for the location and date?
I would also suggest perusing the extensive recent works of Mark St. Leon concerning Australian circus history. At least one volume covers routes and another foreign troupes visiting the country. I would suspect that Mark knows of Stevens presence in Australia. Here's a link: http://www.pennygaff.com.au/market.html. You can contact Mark by going to the home page and then clicking on his name. I did check his earlier "Spangles and Sawdust, The Circus In Australia" for Stevens, without success. His inclusion may depend upon whether Stevens was in a circus, or only on stage, during his time in Australia.
You might check also for Stevens coverage in "The Era," which is available on-line with key word searching at UK libraries. It may have reported on his activities and passing in Madagascar. I would also recommend consulting Dr. Turner's several biographical dictionaries of British circus personnel. Unfortunately, they contain no documentation. Fred Dahlinger
Reply: 06 Aug 2010 - Hello, Professor Stevens with sons William O"Dale and Charles William were active in Australia and New Zealand 1865 and 1866. In Australia they are noted from February 1865 with W. H. Foley's Californian Circus before appearing with Cousins Oriental Circus (a theatre show). After this they were a stage show called Professor Stevens English Troupe, the same show arriving into New Zealand in November 1865. They stayed till June 1866 and played theatres except one short season as a tented show in Wellington during December 1865. Professor Stevens supposedly had appeared in England as a juggler and acrobat with Howe's and Austin's American Circus also the Alhambra Palace. His performances before Royalty are listed as Her Majesty Queen Victoria, The King of Prussia, King of the Belgians,King of the Netherlands and the Emperor of Austria. In December 1866, approx. six months after leaving New Zealand, in Victoria, Australia it was reported in the Hokitika Star that the youngest son Charles William Stevens had been killed instantly when he landed on his head instead of his feet,dislocating the vertebrae in his neck whilst performing a "risley" act. It was also reported that such was the horror of the event, Professor Stevens had been confined to an asylum as a dangerous and probably incurable lunatic. I have no other references following this item. William O"Dale Stevens returned to Australia and New Zealand with W.W. Cole's Circus 1880/81 with his wife Linda Jeal. John Sullivan. New Zealand.
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3420. Harman Trio, 27 Jul 2010 - Hello Circus Historical Society, I have three pictures of a group called the Harman Trio. I have no information on them except for the fact that they were my Great Great Grandparents. I was trying to find out what circus they may have been with. I know my mom said they probably lived in Erie, Pa before they died and had a son named Robert Jay Harman which is my great grandfather. I have no date when my great grandfather was born, but his son Robert Harman was born in 1936 which I believe puts the pictures to the turn of the century. I have looked around a bit online but have found no records of them online as far as the name goes and thought I could ask the Circus Historical Society for help and see if you had any records of them or where I could look? Thanks, David Schlosser Jr. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3419. 4-Paw Hotel Collection, 27 Jul 2010 - Joe and Fannie Hayworth were former Cole Bros people and after that show closed they got into telephone promotions. In 1959 they were running phone rooms for the Cristiani show and I was on the advance when that show played westward to California. In some town along the way we ran into them and visited. After we had left town, my boss Elmer Kauffman commented that Fannie had inherited the "circus collection from the Forepaugh Hotel." Long afterward I got to thinking about this and asked a number of knowledgeable collectors about it but no one seemed to know a thing.
Since the internet has come along I have found that the hotel was spelled "4-Paw" and was located in London, Kentucky. It had been the Stillwell until sometime during the 1930s or possibly early 1940s James and Elizabeth Shropshire, former circus people, bought it and changed the name to 4-Paw. They must have kept up their circus contacts as there were several mentions about them in the Billboard over the years. For instance Howard King and his wife visited with Elizabeth on Thanksgiving Day 1954 (James had managed the sideshow on King's 1928 Gentry Bros, where incidentally Joe Hayworth had been the fixer). James died some years before Elizabeth and she passed away May 16, 1959, just a couple of months prior to the conversation about Fannie inheriting the collection.
Does anyone reading this know anything about this collection or what happened to it after Fannie died? Dave. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 21 Aug 2010 - Sorry, no update on the ultimate disposal of the "4-Paw Hotel" collection, but it might have been based upon the life-long gathering of materials by the Shropshires. Here's a run-down of their affiliations, based upon on-line Billboard issues and entries at Circus World Museum [Draper file and yellow tickets]. Fred Dahlinger
James Shropshire
c1883 born [Billboard, June 5, 1948, page 47]
c1904 start in show business [Billboard, May 16, 1959, page 57]
Year? With B. E. Wallace [Billboard, June 5, 1948, page 47]
Year? With Sanger [Billboard, June 5, 1948, page 47]
Year? With M. L. Clark [Billboard, June 5, 1948, page 47]
Year? With Mighty Haag [Billboard, June 5, 1948, page 47]
Year? With Yankee Robinson [Billboard, June 5, 1948, page 47]
1917 LaTena, side show assistant manager, Punch and Judy [LaTena route book]
1921 Howes Great London, side show, asst. manager [HGL route book]
1923 Gentry Bros.-James Patterson, side show and annex manager [GB-JP route book, Billboard, December 8, 1923, page 81]
1923? With World Bros. [Billboard, June 5, 1948, page 47]
1924 Gentry Bros.-James Patterson, side show and annex manager [GB-JP route book, Billboard, January 10, 1925, page 74]
1924 Gollmar Bros., late in season [Billboard, January 10, 1925, page 74]
1925 Gentry Bros.-James Patterson, side show [Billboard, March 21, 1925, page 98; March 28, 1925, page 74; September 5, 1925, page 61]
1925 Walter L. Main, side show manager [WLM route book]
1926 Walter L. Main, side show manager [Billboard, March 20, 1926, page 211; August 7, 1926, page 62]
1927 Walter L. Main, side show manager [Billboard, March 19, 1927, page 197; May 7, 1927, page 62]
1928 Gentry Bros., side show manager [Billboard, March 24, 1928, page 174; May 5, 1928, page 13]
1929 Gentry Bros., side show manager [Billboard, May 4, 1929, page 59]
1930 Robbins Bros., side show manager [Billboard, May 31, 1930, page 112; May 10, 1930, page 82]
1931 Robbins Bros., side show manager [Billboard, May 30, 1931, page 85; July 11, 1931, page 30]
1933 Sam B. Dill, side show manager [Billboard, August 26, 1933, pages 50 and 53]
Year? With Hagenbeck-Wallace [Billboard, June 5, 1948, page 47]
1930/1939? acquired the 4-Paw Hotel, London, KY [Billboard, May 16, 1959, page 57]
1943 operating 4-Paw Hotel at London, KY [Billboard, November 6, 1943, page 39]
1947 selling mechanical apparatus, pygmy elephants and leopard figures [Billboard, November 15, 1947, page 76]
1948 operating 4-Paw Hotel at London, Kentucky, visited by Deacon Albright [Billboard, January 10, 1948, page 46]
1948 died May 17, age 65, London, KY, burial in Maysville, KY [Billboard, June 5, 1948, page 47]
Elizabeth [Mrs. James] Shropshire
1921 Howes Great London, mind reader [[1921 HGL route book]
1923 Gentry Bros.-James Patterson, side show and annex, psychic reader [GB-JP route book]
1924 Gentry Bros.-James Patterson, side show and annex, mind reading [GB-JP route book]
1953 Operating 4-Paw Hotel in London, KY, visited by Mrs. Howard King [Billboard, November 14, 1953, page 60]
1954 Operating 4-Paw Hotel, London, KY, visited by Mr. and Mrs. Howard King [Billboard, December 11, 1954, page 65]
1959 died May 16, London, KY, was in circus business 35 years with late husband, 20 years operating 4-Paw Hotel, buried in Maysville, KY [Billboard, May 16, 1959, page 57]
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3418. Circus Artist Damoo Dhotre, 27 Jul 2010 - I am doing Research on my great grandfather, late Damoo Dhotre life and in Circus World. As I check his Autobiography he had mentioned some names people from Circus World. If you have know of anyone of following please give details of that person or related person.
1) Alfread Court (Popular in Circus World)
2) Kane Jones (Press Reporter)
3) Captain Roman Praske (Animals farm House & Museum)
4) Mabel Starf (Animal Trainer)
5) Malewin Hildreth ( Circus Fan Association)
6) Robert Ringling (Circus, Sarasota)
7) Henry Ringling North (Ringling Brothers & Barnum Baily Circus)
Please help me for Research. Take Care! Thanks and Regards, Anand Dhotre. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3417. Ralph Swisher, 27 Jul 2010 - I am told by mother, that Ralph Swisher was a catcher with the Flying Behees. He was one of my father's best friends in Peru, Indiana. We called him Uncle Ralph. His wife was Phyllis and they had a daughter Carol Ann, I believe. They lived on East Main, two houses from my Grandparents, Aaron and Minnie Berger Mohler. If anyone has a picture they can share of Ralph and can verify that he was with the Flying Behees, please respond. Thank you, Elaine. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3416. Dallas, TX, 21 Jul 2010 - Have always loved the circus, but have never seen the unloading of the animals. Can you tell me when/where the train will be unloaded for the Dallas shows next week? Wayne Kendrick. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3415. Circus, Calcutta, 27 Jul 2010 - Does anyone know about the circus in Calcutta in the first decade of the 20th century? Abby. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 28 Aug 2010 - Circus Hagenbeck went to Calcutta. Search for “Calcutta” on http://www.circusmuseum.nl/eng
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3414. Darryl J Perry, 27 Jul 2010 - To whom it may concern, I'm currently trying to find information and perhaps obtain photographs of Darryl J Perry. He worked for Alberto's circus, adopted son of Albert Pery. He died under tragic circumstances in 1979. If you could be of assistance it would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards, Lee. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3413. Dunk tanks, 27 Jul 2010 - Hello, I am doing some research and was wondering if "dunk tanks" were used between 1820 - 1871 in California at any carnival or festival? Thanks, Chuck. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3412. Fay Romig, 19 Jul 2010 - I live in Los Angeles and have met an 88 year old woman living with her ailing dogs in a Toyata camper. Her name is Fay Romig. I take her water and ice several times a week and she shares stories and many pictures of the circus, also photos of her brother Ricky the clown. Irv Romig. Fascinating lady with lots of spirit. Dale Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3411. Cole Bros. stakedriver, 18 Jul 2010 - I am the supt. of construction for the Circus Model Builders. I believe that most of the Cole Bros. circus wagons which remained in 1955 were stored at the Paul Kelly farm south of Peru, Indiana. In about 2003 Howard Holdsclaw bought a Cole Bros. three headed stakedriver at an auction. He restored the wagon and I drove a stake with it during a CHS convention at the Circus Hall of Fame in Peru, Indiana. I now have a plan of the wagon and photos which I plan to publish in the Little Circus Wagon, the magazine of the Circus Model Builders. I believe that this stakedriver was probably the last stakedriver Cole Bros. owned. The wagon is all steel except for the wood sides of the stake storage area. There also was a smaller wood spoked right rear wheel which was mounted in a pocket in the wagon so that the wagon could pass a stake driven by the right outside hammer. This stakedriver is similar to the one which was on Hagenbeck-Wallace. Does anyone have any history of this wagon which I could use as part of the information with the plan? Dick Britton. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 28 Jul 2010 - The history of circus stake drivers was covered in a three-part article in "Bandwagon." The first appeared in the Jan-Feb 1999 issue, the remaining two parts appearing within the year. The development of the triple hammer design is in the Bill Curtis section. You might also peruse Joe Bradbury's comprehensive series on the Cole show, and the 1938 Robbins outfit, for further details concerning that particular driver. Fred Dahlinger
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3410. Royal Bros. Circus, 17 Jul 2010 - My name is Bruce, I travelled with the Royal Bros. in the summer of 1971(not quite 16) and again in 1974 (not quite 20). Had the time of my life. Worked hard, loved it. When I was with the show in 1974 the film board of Canada, created a movie called High grass circus. Google the National Film Board Of Canada, request High Grass Circus, and (if you are a former employee) get a taste of what life was like back then. If you do watch the film and want to know what happened to Birf Steve and Bruce, I will tell you the tale. Stretch that canvas brothers. Regards Bruce. P.S. Anyone have any Royal Bros Circus posters? Sure would like to have one. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3409. Funeral, performers, 17 Jul 2010 - I’m curious about what sort of funeral services might be held for performers on the road in a turn-of-the-century show (early 1900s I mean) Was there a standard protocol or service? Would the burial be local? I’ve done a fair amount of searching and, except for the big 1903 train wreck, www.usgennet.org/usa/mi/county/shiawassee/circus.html, I can’t find any discussion of what happened when a performer died on the road. Thanks! Kate Rothwell in CT. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 18 Jul 2010 - Kate, not quite of the date you are looking for, neither is it quite 'on the road' but a fascinating account of the funeral of a lion keeper, in 1894, can be found by following this link. From my enquiries, I think that the choice of cemetery, in this case 'Odd Fellows', was purely arbitary!
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn94052989/1894-02-17/ed-1/seq-8/;words=Thieman+LIONS+Carlo+lion+lions
Hope it may be of interest. Paul Griffiths
Reply: 19 Jul 2010 - A death on the road of a performer or worker could mean an immediate burial if it was an accident, a hushed up burial at night if the person had a disease, or the local county or city coroner taking over depending on the situation. In many cases local contacts took over the funeral arrangements if the deceased was a Mason, etc., and in some cases the owner of the show paid the funeral expenses. You might try looking at the New York Times Index and put in the words 'circus funeral'. There was the Orton Circus railroad car fire in the 1880s when the bodies were buried together, a few cases where lightning struck the tent, and the Stowe Circus disaster on the Mississippi River where it took a week or more to recover the deceased. When D. R. Miller the owner of the Carson & Barnes Circus passed away his remains were placed in a mortuary until the end of the season when a funeral was held in Hugo, Oklahoma. It was held under the big top and there was a regular parade to Showman's Rest which is the part of the local cemetary dedicated to those who follow the circus during their life. JFP
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3408. Site for 2010 shows, 15 Jul 2010 - I searched a number of circus web sites trying to find the particular show’s schedule for the balance of the year so I might plan on where I can see a particular show. I was disappointed to see that many shows do not give a schedule beyond the current month. Is there some web site that might give schedules for a number of current circus’ show locations for the balance of 2010? Thanks. William H. Barnes. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 07 Aug 2010 - Hello William: Most traveling circuses do not publish their routes any farther in advance than two weeks at the most. The reasons for this are many, but the primary reason is that show owners and promoters are extremely competitive and most show owners are very protective of their routes. In some cases, shows have been known to discover another show’s route and will “jump ahead” of another show basically “stealing” their business. In the past, route “wars” have broken out between shows. When another show jumps ahead of an opposing show, they often times will tear down the other shows posters and some have even been known to paste over another show’s title with their own. Most of the general public doesn’t know the difference between one circus and another, so unscrupulous shows use this to their own advantage. Although this was quite common in the past, it still happens today, thus the secrecy of show routes. The only exception to this are the shows that are toured under the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey title by Feld Entertainment, Inc. There are now 3 completely different circuses that tour under the RBBB title throughout the USA and the Feld Organization that owns the shows does publish their routes for the entire year. These can be found on their web site www.ringling.com. Most Shrine Circuses also will post their dates months in advance, as these shows are scheduled well in advance and many appear annually around the same time of the year. You can do a web site search for Shrine Circus and there is a web site that lists most of the Shrine Circuses throughout any given year. This is about the best you can do as far as locating shows very far in advance. The other possibility is to contact any particular shows you may be interested in seeing and give them a specific date or location where you may be trying to see them and they may offer you one or two specific dates, but beyond this you’d be asking for the moon. The other possibility would be to purchase a subscription to the Circus Report magazine, which is published in Las Vegas, which comes out every other week with current route listings for most circuses. Once again, though, even Circus Report usually does not publish routes more than 2-3 weeks in advance at the request of the shows, show owners and promoters. Neil Cockerline
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3407. Date Whittington, 15 Jul 2010 - Looking for information on Date Whittington. My Husband's Grandfather rode the unicycle in 1944, His name was Date Whittington. He was from Hoopeston, IL. marilyn186. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3406. Garden Bros. Circus, 13 Jul 2010 - I am interested in information on the Garden Bros. Circus (Canada.) Is it still in business and who is running it now? Thank you, Maryellen. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3405. Buffalo Bill, Vienna 1906, 12 Jul 2010 - Buffalo Bill in Vienna in May-June 1906. Looking for any information concerning a portrait by Austrian painter Wilhelm Vita of a man with a large hat, moustache and goatee. The subject looks like Buffalo Bill. This portrait should be included in Buffalo Bill iconography. Please contact wwsnyder@ticino.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3404. Circus strong girl, 10 Jul 2010 - Anyone have any photos or information on this circus strong girl? see the following links for a photo of the girl:
www.worthpoint.com/pmimages/images1/1/0907/22/1_8c969b1710ee7193a2788a90941fb5e8.jpg
Or www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/circus-cc-performer-little-agnes-with-dumbells
I think (not sure) she was named "Little Agnes." She may have been a performer in a circus in France or Germany, not sure though. She did feats of strength around the years 1894 to 1915, feats of strength such as harness lifting a 400 lbs cannon, holding heavy barbells on her outstretched arms, lifting heavy round kettlebells and lifting several people off the ground at one time. She may have (not sure) worked in the circus Hucke. Please respond to FitnFunKatrina25@aol.com or respond on this board. Thank you. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3403. Rubberman, Tiny Tim 2, 10 Jul 2010 - Looking for information on two circus performers said to be buried in a Cedar Spring, Michigan cemetery, known as Rubberman and Tiny Tim 2. I don't have any further information on their lives or birth names. Bobb. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3402. Reed Trio, Roger McGinnis, 10 Jul 2010 - My name is Jeanette Boger and I recently came across some very old photos of circus performers. The back of the photo is marked, The Reed Trio. That photo is of a young boy in full clown paint and costume, an older man in either boxing or trapeze outfit and a middle aged woman in clown garb as well. It is a wonderful photo and I would appreciate any information that anybody might have regarding the Reed Trio. The other large photo is of the same boy clown and says, "Roger McGinnis" on the back. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Jeanette. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3401. Dickey Miniature Circus, 09 Jul 2010 - I was wondering if anyone would have any idea what to do with or who might me interested in a very large miniature circus. It has over 62,000 pieces and was hand carved in the early 1900's by my grandfather. It goes up as a real circus would and everything packs into the wagons like a full sized model. It is a detailed replica of the John Robinson Circus between 1916 and 1923. It is skillfully hand carved on a one inch to the foot scale and displays on a 76X14 foot platform. We believe it to be a beautiful and priceless collection of art and history. If you have a response to this posting please send to: lauradougherty@live.com or barbaradickey@hotmail.com. Thank you. *Note: I posted this about a year ago and was unaware that I had received responses as I thought they would come to me through e-mail. I didn't come back to the post until now! I apologize for not thanking those who offered advice or acknowledging those who responded at that time. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3400. Elephants, Sun Bros. 1892-1918, 07 Jul 2010 - Would anyone have any information concerning the elephants that were with the Sun Bros. Show from the years 1892 to 1918? Particularly any elephants that may have died while with the show, and were,when and how they may have died. Thank you, K.C. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 08 Jul 2010 - The first time I find an elephant on the Sun Bros. Circus was in 1903 when they got ALICE. ETTA died in the Tornado in January of 1918. Hope this helps. Bob Cline
Sun Bros. Circus (George, Gus, & Peter Sun - owners) 1892 to 1918
Alice, Asian Female, 1903 to 1918, Went to Johnny J. Jones Carnival
Etta, Asian Female, 1907 to 1918, Died in Macon, Ga. Tornado Jan.4, 1918
Gyp, Asian Female, 1917 to 1918, Went to Johnny J. Jones Carnival
Sue, Asian Female, 1911 to 1918, Went to Johnny J. Jones Carnival
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3399. Franzen Bros., Michael Kohlrieser, 06 Jul 2010 - I'm trying to establish a date for a piece of Franzen Bros. material that lists Michael D. Kohlrieser of Wapakoneta, OH as "director of tours." Anyone have an idea what year or years that may have been? Thank you, Paul Holley. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 27 Jul 2010 - Paul, You may want to check with Dick Kohlreiser. Jake Conover should know how to reach him. WRAC
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3398. Adeline Remillard, fat lady, 06 Jul 2010 - I am looking for information regarding a relative who was a Circus Fat Lady probably back in the 30's. Her name was Adeline Remillard and she weighed over 500 pounds. My father, who immigrated from Lorette, Manitoba to Chicago, had her picture. I have it now. Do not know which circus she belonged to but am suspecting it was probably nearby Chicago. My e-mail address is annetterem@att.net. Thank you. Annette. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3397. Leopold Bosco Morton, 06 Jul 2010 - Leopold Bosco Morton, b 1864, Father William, Mother Mary. These were travelling show people, originally from Lancashire, England. Does any one have any info on them, magicians I believe. Leopold died in 1901. Pamela. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3396. Booking agency, acts, 06 Jul 2010 - I am writing a book and series of articles on sheepdog use and sheepdog trials in North America. Many early sheepdog trials were actually professional exhibitions that toured state fair circuits and with wild west shows. For example, a man named Arthur Allen toured for many years with Roy Rogers. The first person whose promotional materials I am looking for at the moment is Sam Stoddart, sometimes misprinted as Stoddard, who performed starting around 1920 at the larger state fairs, first with imported Tweed and Ross, then later in 1924 with International Champion Spot. I saw what looks like a flyer or cover for a pamphlet in the 6/11/1926 "Gettysburg Times" and this started me wondering if there are any likely archives for large booking agencies for the period 1900 to 1930. There were quite a few others; I'm starting with Stoddart. I have a hazy recollection of reading about a big agency or maybe a yearly meeting in Illinois that handled a lot of fair acts, which, of course, have considerable overlap with circus performers. Can anyone can help me out with agent or agency or organization names or a likely archive? Penny Tose. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3395. Frank & Faye Walker, 04 Jul 2010 - Hello my name is Johnny David Best. I was born in Grants Pass Oregon at Josephine county hospital in 1965. My mothers name is Billie J Salzmann and she also was born in Grants Pass Ore at Josephine county hospital in 1932. My Mothers parents she has been told where traveling with a circus when she was conceived. Already with two kids and struggling to make ends meet they just simply could not afford to raise another child. So when the circus came threw Grants Pass in 1932 they put a ad in the Grants Pass courier news paper that they would like to adopt out their child. My Mother was adopted one hour after she was born to wonderful parents that gave her all the love in the world. My mom is 78 years old now and she knows her real parents are long gone but she has been wanting her whole life to know where she comes from and her family tree. Their names my mom was told was Frank and Faye Walker Please Please Please can you help me. My phone number is 360-693-0020 or email me at johnnydbest@gmail.com. Thank you and God bless, Johnny Best. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 05 Jul 2010 - If you can access the "Grant's Pass Daily Courier" from 1932 [it has been microfilmed and is a candidate for digitization; see:
http://libweb.uoregon.edu/diglib/odnp/
and have your mother's birth date, you ought to be able to determine which shows were in the area at the time of her arrival. I would look for advertisements for both circuses and traveling carnivals [perhaps in association with a fair], as well as other forms of outdoor entertainment [repertoire theater troupes, for example]. Many different things have been termed a circus, when they are not. Currently you can search the Portland Oregonian on-line:
http://libweb.uoregon.edu/govdocs/indexing/index.html
There were no hits for "circus" in 1932, but you might try searching for other terms. Another possibility is to access the microfilmed copies of the weekly-issued "Billboard" magazine. It published routes for just about all forms of outdoor shows. That will also enable you to discern what show employed the Walkers. You might also be able to learn a bit more about the show, what the Walkers did, etc., by searching back and forth in earlier and later issues, once the show name is established. Speak to your local librarian about securing the microfilm copies via interlibrary loan. I wish you success in your searching. Fred Dahlinger
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3394. Trapeze artistry, Norway, 03 Jul 2010 - In researching my family history I have come across some information that I would like to try and validate. This is not a specific genealogy question but rather a general question about trapeze artistry in Norway in the late 1800's. I have found out that my grandfather's brother was a trapeze artist and a high wire performer in Kristiania (now Oslo) Norway in the 1890's. My grandfather trained with him in his teens before coming to this country. Part of the family lore is that my grandfather's brother trained, along with others, trapeze artists for circuses in this country. Is there anywhere I can look to find out if this was true? (not specifically about him but that this type of training did go on in Norway at this time). Also, are there any reference materials, books that would talk about the circus life in Norway in the late 1800's? Thank you for the opportunity to ask this question. June. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 07 Jul 2010 - A Norwegian Circus Historian Hermann Berthelsen published last year a book about circuses in Norway back from the 18th century and until today. The book is written in Norwegian. But you could try to contact Hermann Berthelsen. He has a large circus collection called “Det glade arkiv” and might be able to help you. Kind regards, Ole Simonsen, www.circus-dk.dk
Reply: 18 Jul 2010 - Ole, Thank you for this information. I will definitely try and contact Mr. Berthelsen. June
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3393. Les Rainers, 30 Jun 2010 - I am looking for an old circus group called "Les Rainers." I live in Denmark and can`t find any information on this group, other than they have appeared here in Denmark in year 1972. I know that they subsequently appeared in the U.S. for several years after the visit to Denmark (1974 - ...) in a "stationary" circus (not traveling). The group performed with a bar show and consisted of three members. I'm looking for pictures and possible movie clips. I would be thrilled if you could help me further with my investigation. Best regards, Brian Jørgensen. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3392. Psychic named Athena, 29 Jun 2010 - I'm looking for information about the life of a showwoman and psychic called ATHENA. Her surname was said to be something like Theophilos or Theophilis. Athena was born around 1909 and died shortly before the end of 1999. She or her family were said to be from Florina in Macedonia, at that time to Turkey, today in Greece. They possibly were of Gypsy origin. In the 1930s she traveled through small towns in and around West Virginia. She gave psychic readings and foretold the truth with a crystal ball. In the early 1940's she met a psychic entertainer named Nicholas, who became her partner for many years. Thank you for any clue or bit of information! Lars Menk in Berlin, Germany. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3391. Banner painters, 28 Jun 2010 - In relation to a geneology search, I am trying to find info on 'banner painters' of around the early 1900's. He may also have done free-lance work for RJR Tobacco Co. Do you know of any places I might search? Thanks so much for ANY help - even the smallest of leads. Amanda, arartworks@yahoo.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 29 Jun 2010 - Banners have been covered a couple times on the CHS website. For example, go to query 3345 below. You can go through other earlier listings, doing edit or Google searches, among others. There are a few recent publications, four or five books and a couple articles, then one must seek out primary documentation in directories, newspapers, vital records, etc. Providing the name of the person in question and some basic information would perhaps suggest other resources. Unless a banner painter was a shop owner or was contracted directly by a sideshow operator, circus, carnival or amusement park, it's unlikely that their name would appear on the artwork. The seller's name was the one typically placed thereon. The banner work is employment, not genealogical per se. If you're searching for geographic location, which might lead to family, that's a possibility. Employment records that provide address, next of kin, etc., might provide some clues, but I've never seen any surviving records for banner shops, tent manufacturers, etc. Fred Dahlinger
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3390. Carson & Barnes, 28 Jun 2010 - Hello. I took some photos of John Carroll and others during a circus performance around 1978. I am trying to determine the exact location. That's right, I don't remember precisely where and when I took them. I think I took them in Washington DC or Georgetown, and I need to see if there are any records of "Carson and Barnes" performing there around summer time. However, it could have been in 1979. I'm not sure. Is anyone in your organization a keeper of records that goes back that far? Thanks, Mark Estabrook. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 29 Jun 2010 - In 1976 Carson & Barnes played Joppatown, Md. June 23; Gaithersburg, Md. on June 24-26; and West Friendship, Md. June 27-30. In 1977 they returned to Gaithersburg for a June 24-26 stand, followed by a June 27-July 1 stand at Laurel, Maryland, and played Fairfax, Va. July 2-3. In 1978 the Red Unit played Hagerstown, Md. June 19; Westminster, Md; June 20, and Damascus Md. on June 21. The 1978 Blue Unit played west of the Mississippi. In 1979 the farthest East the show played was Wellsville, Ohio, and the same is true for 1980. No Washington D.C. dates but the Gaithersburg lot is closest. Ted Bowman Circus Route Collection
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3389. Goodman Wonder Show, 24 Jun 2010 - Searching for 1940 routing of Goodman Wonder Show in state of Iowa. Jim R. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 27 Jun 2010 - A. Morton Smith clipped and bound some Billboards for 1940, and a partial Goodman Wonder Show route with the dates being the 'week of' in a location show. June 10-15 Davenport, Iowa, June 22 Duluth, Minn., July 6 Iron Mountain, Mich., July 13 Ironwood, Mich., Aug 10 Lacrosse, Wis., Aug 17 Owatonna, Wis., Aug 24-27 Sioux City, Iowa, Sept 2-7 Lincoln, Neb., Sept 8-14 Tulsa, Ok., Sept 15-22 Hutchinson, Kan., Sept 28 Witchita, Kan., and Oct 18-27 Waco, Texas. Ted Bowman Circus Route Collection
Reply: 15 Jul 2010 - Thank you very much for the info. It looks like there was another Iowa stop between June 15 and June 22nd. I can search old newspaper micro films now for further info.
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3388. Grimaldi, Daddy Long Legs, 20 Jun 2010 - Hi, We are hanging on a thread of information passed down by gossip of family members. My Great Grandmother presumably fell pregnant to a man in the Circus which was visiting in 1920 Victoria Park, Auckland, Anniversary Weekend. His last name was supposedly "grimaldi" or "Daddy Long Legs" his circus name. If anyone knows of this person this would be greatly appreciated to end a skeleton in closet story within our family. Thanks and look forward to any responses. Vicki. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 22 Jun 2010 - Vicki, try searching at http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ Good Luck! - Tom H.
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3387. Otho Twigg, 18 Jun 2010 - I am looking for any further information on a Mr Otho Twigg. Otho held various positions (mainly equestrienne) within many circus’s (Sanger’s, Henglers, Ohmy’s, Forepaughs, Lockharts, Barnum &Baileys) he eventually became the Ringmaster at the London Hippodrome when it opened in 1900, in 1910 he became the ringmaster at the New York Hippodrome.
Otho married a Margaret Harriet Davies in Cardiff in 1886. Margaret was an Equestrienne bareback rider, using the stage names of ‘Maggie Sivado’ (Davis spelt backwards), Marguerite Doris and Maggie Twigg. Otho and Margaret had 2 daughters that I am aware of, but sadly both died in infancy.
Margaret’s younger sister Pauline also worked in the circus as a Equestrienne too and married a John McCambridge (My family's connection) – Pauline’s stage name also varied over the years but these are two that I know off – ‘Polly Sivado’ (once again Davis spelt backwards) and ‘Madame Olva’. John and Pauline McCambridge had 4 children that I know off – John b 1888, Margaret b 1889, Otho b1897 and Pauline b 1904.
I believe the two sisters and their respective families worked with each other throughout their lives all over Europe and The USA. I have found several references to all of these people in ‘THE STAGE ARCHIVES’ and ‘THE ERA ARCHIVES’ – but would truly love to find a picture of any of them!
Otho seemed to have a very prominent role and was great friends with Marceline Orbes, surely there must be a photograph somewhere!! Any help would be truly amazing - I’m based in England but I know they worked a lot in the USA! Lucy Smithers - lucysmithers@yahoo.co.uk. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 20 Jun 2010 - When you state Forepaugh's, do you mean the actual American circus of that name, Adam Forepaugh's 1860s-1894, or the subsequent Forepaugh-Sells show of 1896-1907 and 1910-1911, or the British Fourpawr's, part of the Anderton & Rowland story? Scrivens and Smith cover the latter to some degree in their recent book.
There are illustrated Barnum & Bailey route books for the first few years after the show returned to the US in 1903, covering to about 1907. Have you checked these, or do you know exactly when Twigg was with B&B?
Programs survive from most of the great New York Hippodrome stage productions. They would be a good place to start. You'll find them in more prominent theater and New York City area collections. There was a long run in a private collection that was broken up more than a decade ago, so Hippodrome ephemera collectors may also be in possession of them. They are typically well illustrated, include the cast, etc. Those same facilities will also hold other photography relating to the Hippodrome. There's also the book "The Mighty Hippodrome" that may be worth checking. Just recently a photograph showing a circus tent interior on the stage of the Hippodrome sold on ebay. It was from one of the well-known photographic image supply houses that has been digitizing their holdings and selling off originals.
Have you been in contact with the British circus fans group, checked the Victoria & Albert, also the holdings in the Fairground Archive at Sheffield University? If he was close with Marceline Orbes, you might even examine group photographs that include him; maybe Twigg can be found therein?
There were no immediate Google hits for "Ortho Twigg," nor any in a couple newspaper databases; is it possible that he had a stage name? If he was part of an equestrian group act, his name may also have been obscured. Fred Dahlinger
Reply: 21 Jun 2010 - On this website at Frost’s Circus Life and Circus Celebrities Chapter Twelve [http://www.circushistory.org/Frost/Frost12.htm] there is a brief mention:
It may be interesting to some persons to know how an affair of this description is managed. The proprietors themselves are most industrious and indefatigable, and they have in their service, as acting manager, a very clever and experienced gentleman named Twigg, late lieutenant in one of Her Majesty's regiments. Mr Twigg engages several persons, whose duty it is to make arrangements in advance for the numerous company and stud. They hire ground suitable for the purpose, and engage bill-posters, who placard the town with large and brilliantly-coloured pictorial representations of the performances, and distribute printed bills, containing the names of the performers, also giving a description of the procession, and the route it will take in parading the town. These are distributed in all the villages within a radius of fifteen miles. jim@stockley.co.za
Reply: 30 Jun 2010 - Thank you both for all your wonderful information. You are obviously far more advanced than I am in this area! – Brilliant suggestions thank you again. Lucy
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3386. George B. King, 18 Jun 2010 - I understand my great grandfather, George B. King, had a traveling circus in the US beginning about 1882. He was born in the UK about 1855, and came to this country about 1882 with his daughter, my grandmother, who was about three years old. He had two more children in the US, one daughter born in Missouri and one son. I got this initial information from an aunt, and I am searching for any record of the circus. Thank you for any help you can provide. Jean. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3385. European circus parades, 18 Jun 2010 - Hello, I was looking for information on European circus parades where animals were paraded in cages as part of a circus, or a just in a parade. Specifically, Did these parades originate in one country - Germany? Russia? Or were they all over Europe at the same time? Were they more popular in one country or another? Any information you can give me is greatly appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Melissa Sweet. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 28 Aug 2010 - Search with the word “optocht” on www.circusmuseum.nl. There are many pictures of parades in The Netherlands but also in Paris on this site. Herman Voogd.
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3384. TV series, auction, 17 Jun 2010 - We’re producing a series for Discovery about the auction business – following unique items with interesting histories through the auction process with the collectors who are selling them. We are looking for people with circus, sideshow & wild west collections & artifacts they might like to auction for a TV series about the auction business. We’re looking for unique items with fascinating histories. If you have something you’d like to consider auctioning on TV please email us at auctionshow2@gmail.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3383. Cornwall, Ontario, Canada, 17 Jun 2010 - Hello, My name is Thom and I live in Cornwall Ontario Canada. I am currently writing segments of history of the Cornwall Police Force. On September 6th, 1892 a police officer patrolling the "Circus" at the exhibition grounds adjacent to the Grand Trunk Railway Station was shot a killed by a drifter. I am searching for any tid bits of history that would identify the circus that set up in Cornwall that day. Are there any Canadian dedicated sites that may help me in this info search. Thank you for your time. Thom Racine, Cornwall Ontario, Canada. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3382. Kimball Sisters, 17 Jun 2010 - Does anyone have any information about the Kimball Sisters, Gail and Eunid or Enid who played long horns for Barnum and Bailey in the 1920's or 1930's? They graduated from our school and we would love to know more about them. Thanks, Patsy Jones, teacher, Alsea High School. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3381. Martha A. Gray, 17 Jun 2010 - I am looking for information on Martha A. Gray, who was a member of the John Robinson Circus in 1922 and I believe she used the name Miss Virginia. My grandfather was married to her on April 16, 1922. I know nothing about her and would love to see a picture of her and find out about her life and what she did in the circus. Thank you, Tom Parker. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 24 Jun 2010 - Dear Friend: Martha Gray (Grey) does not appear in the 1921 or 1923 route books nor in the 1922 program. There is no mention of any Martha nor Miss Virginia. She may have adopted her new husband's name and if we knew same, perhaps this might provide some guidance. R F Sabia
Reply: 25 Jun 2010 - Thank you for researching Martha Gray for me. In the May 8, 1920 issue of The Billboard it says "Johnson-Virginia - Slivers Johnson, a clown, and Miss Virginia, both members of the John Robinson Circus, were married in Peru, Ind., April 16." On their marriage license it says performer, for her present occupation. Sliver's real name is Walter William Parker, so maybe she used Parker for her last name or maybe Johnson. Thank you, Tom Parker.
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3380. RV parking, 16 Jun 2010 - Hello! My name is Fr. Dick Notter a CHS member who will be attending the convention. I plan to come from Peru with my travel trailer and am looking for possible locations to park. I have not been successful in getting Royal Acres in Normal to return phone calls. Does anyone have any suggestions? Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3379. Nashville, circus exhibit, 13 Jun 2010 - I work with Belmont Mansion, an Italian-villa style mansion in the heart of Nashville. It was built in 1853 — quite an interesting house. Anyway, I am trying to put together an event that will focus on the Victorian-era circus. I am still in the beginning phase. I would love to find a collector who would be interested in hosting a lecture or lending items for an exhibit. I would also like to find performers who specialize in this period. I am particularly interested in the sideshow acts. Any information will be greatly appreciated. I look forward to hearing from you soon. Best, Kate Wilson, Director of Operations, Belmont Mansion, 1900 Belmont Blvd., Nashville, TN 37212. (615) 460-5459 www.belmontmansion.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3378. Felix Morales, 13 Jun 2010 - Hello, I am the Dyer County Historian and have been researching the Circus History of this county. I noticed that you had posted about Felix Morales and thought you might be interested in the following I found on the web:
Billboard Oct 23, 1948. King Continues to Chalk Up Good Biz in South. Dyersburg, Tenn., Oct. 16 - The tour of the Southland is proving a winner for King Bros. The show has been getting a good share of full ones and overflows at various points in Tennessee.
Here in Dyersburg, which is more or less the hometomw of the the King family, the folks gave with a strong matinee crowd and capasity at night. The King family lived here for many years. In addition, Felix Morales and his family resided on a farm here for several years..." I would like to know more about the history of the Morales family. Best regards, Earl Willoughby, Dyer County Historian. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3377. Mill Bros. Circus, Miss India, 12 Jun 2010 - The Mill Bros. Circus came to Wallingford, CT in late June of 1953, and probably had been here before then. I am interested in obtaining a photo of Miss India, an elephant who died here and was buried here. Actually, any photos of the Mill Bros. Circus would be of interest. Thank you. Barbara Sherburne, Wallingford, CT. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 01 Aug 2010 - I think I replied to this once already, but maybe I did it wrong. To read the story I wrote about Miss India for The People's Press, go here:
www.peoplespressnews.com/peoplespress/newspaper/article.cfm?img=page1.gif&issue=207
Thanks to Jerome Jacobson for all of his help with the photos and story. Barb
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3376. Hilda Garzon, 12 Jun 2010 - My name is Eustacio Lopez Garzon, and I look to my aunt, "Hilda Garzon," maiden name. She to work in Mexican circus in years 1960-1970. Circus called, Atayde Hermanos or Union Circus. She to have accident working in trapeze, to be fallen of 20 meters height, not be able to work, but she to married know person of circus Ringling Brothers. She may be 76-78 years old, and is possible she live in Houston, Texas or New York, NY. I not see my Aunt Hilda Garzon for many years (40). Please I need aid of person that he knows my aunt. Thanks very much and God blesses. Eustacio Lopez Garzon, Phoenix, Arizona. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3375. Drake Bros. Circus, 11 Jun 2010 - My father is a huge circus fan and for his birthday my sister found what appears to be old "Drake Bros. Circus and Trained Animal Shows" circus tickets at an estate sale. My dad and I have been on the internet trying to research this circus and have not been able to find any information on them. Can you all help us with this? Laura. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 13 Jun 2010 - The Drake Circus title was not around that long. It was used is 1905 as the Drake & Faulkner's Greatest United Railroad Shows for the show played Shippensburg, Pa., July 1, Chambersburg Pa. July 3, and Greencastle Pa. July 4. It appeared again in 1929 opening at Waynesburg, Pa. on May 27, being managed by Dr. Jim Davidson from the winterquarters in Charleston, West Virginia. Ted Bowman Circus Route Collection
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3374. Circus, NY, 10 Jun 2010 - After WWII, my uncle, now 86, worked as a roustabout for a circus that traveled in New York. He does not remember the name of the circus and I told him I would try to find out. I have searched the internet without locating any familiar names. I mentioned Damascus Circus out of Rochester, NY or Ziyara Shrine Circus, Utica, NY, but he says they are not the one he worked for. Can you offer some other names for me to help him remember? Thank you, Gordon. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 11 Jun 2010 - Since you don't indicate the survival of any papers or photographs relating to your uncle's experience, his memories will be the key to the determination of the show where he served as a roustabout. You'll need to try and make further incursions into what recollections remain intact. Be careful when you pose questions to him not to include an "answer" in the question. Some people, when interviewed, give answers that they believe the people want to hear, or that will serve as their legacy. Don't ask "Were you born in 1924?" ask "When were you born?" If you cannot obtain a specific answer, which isn't uncommon, try and focus in on it with questions that relate to it: "Were you born before the Great Depression?" or "Who is the first president that you recall?" People often forget specific numbers and such, but recall related events, locales, people, etc.
The answer you seek is in a big haystack. The best way to start is to remove as much of the extraneous hay from the pile as possible, leaving only the prime material for examination.
Name - Without the person's name, respondents have nothing to start with. Your uncle's name, as well as nicknames and any aliases are necessary for any reasonable search.
Time frame - The data you provided suggests your uncle was born c1924. That would make him 18 years old during early WWII, perhaps meaning he was drafted, or enlisted, and therefore not a roustabout until mid-1945 or later. That seems to concur with your statement of post-war service. That helps to limit the time frame of the search. How long was he on the road?
Residency - Where was he born and in which community or cities did he reside? They might provide a clue as to where he could have joined a troupe. Perhaps family members or documents and photos that exist will provide clues as to residency. Once you establish where he lived, you can trace residency through city directories and other documentation. Local newspapers can serve to identify the shows that passed through a community. If you have access to them, via a library or historical society, they can possibly provide an answer, or clues.
Social Security - This system started about 1938 and records do survive. Perhaps there's some reference to your uncle's show employment?
Show type - Many people mistake a carnival for a circus. If he remembers mechanical thrill rides, as one would experience at an amusement park, that means he was with a carnival, and not a circus. Did the show move every day, or just once per week? If just once per week, it was probably a carnival. If it was a carnival, that's an entirely different line of investigation.
Show movements - Did the show move by railroad train, or over the highway, in trucks and trailers? Knowing where he slept each night will be a clue - in a railroad car, in a hotel, in a truck, or on the lot in a tent? This knowledge can limit the searching.
Job - You state "roustabout," which most people would identify as unskilled labor generally used to erect tents and perform other duties on an outdoor lot. But, your description specifies two circuses that presented performances in buildings. They might have had some roustabouts for general labor, but it also suggests, perhaps, service as a prop man, someone handling "properties" into and out of the ring for performers. Can your uncle clarify specifically what he did for the show?
Billboard - The original "Billboard" magazine served as the news continuum of the outdoor show business from c1900 until 1960. A number of issues are available on-line via Google Books - advanced book search. The search engine misses many entries, but if you know of community names pertinent to your uncle's story, try searching using "Billboard" as the "title" and then the city name and state in "with all of the words." You can also limit the searching to single years. You can try searching for his name, but roustabouts were seldom listed. Billboard published the routes of shows and once you have a candidate for the title you can do further searching for it.
There are also other techniques that can be used to eliminate other possibilities. For example, if he might have been with Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Combined Shows, their employment records from 1938-1956 do exist and can be consulted. These are in the Circus World Museum library.
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3373. Term, back lot, 10 Jun 2010 - There is a seller on eBay who always refers to his photos as being "backlot" views. Now a second seller has picked it up but uses is as two words: "back lot." I thought back lot was a movie studio expression. I don't think I have ever heard it used referring to the back yard of a circus. Am I just out of the loop here? Thanks - Whitey. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 24 Jun 2010 - I do word and phrase searches in Google Books-advanced search, to try and locate early and common public use. They aren't necessarily authoritative, but they can be revealing. The results of a phase search for "back lot" + circus yielded 355 hits total; 6 before 1900, but none pertinent, with "back lot" usually meaning the land behind a house; 41 hits between 1901 and 1950 with useable fruit; and the remainder 1951 and later.
Margaret Mayo, Polly of the Circus, 1910, used "back lot"; Courtney Ryley Cooper, Circus Day, 1931, page 234, also used it. The Mayo book was a trade book; Cooper had direct knowledge of circus vocabulary. Mayo (1882-1951), was an actress, playwright and screen writer, per an on-line biog. Polly had first appeared as a stage play in 1907 and was made into films in 1917 and 1932. It's likely she may have been the vehicle by which the term gained transfer and use in the circus world.
Back lot was used in a July 5, 1947 Billboard account, page 104, in an interview with Bev Kelley, and again in the issue of June 24, 1950, page 88, a spotting of John Ringling North there; and so on. When the "New York Clipper" and the "Billboard" before the 1940s become available in digital form, earlier references will likely be found.
There are no circus route books on Google [or I've not encountered them], nor programs, couriers and quarter sheets (aka "heralds"), but some standard memoirs like Conklin, Thompson and such are available. That means it'll take a manual search to find "back lot" in circus-issued documents. There are maybe two dozen route books transcribed on the CHS website, under the history button on the home page, and you can quickly go through those with a edit-search.
The "Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang" and Don Wilmeth's 1981 volume, "The Language of American Popular Entertainment: A Glossary of Argot, Slang, and Terminology," might be places to look. The "Oxford English Dictionary" has limited application in many instances.
Bottom line, looks like it was used a bit early in the 20th century, and by "Billboard" columnists, like Tom Parkinson, in the late 1940s and 1950s. A crossover from Hollywood is possible, given the writings of Margaret Mayo and the hiring of circus equipment and animals by the movie makers in the 1910s, 1920s and thereafter. Fred Dahlinger
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3372. Aeriel the Flying Man, 10 Jun 2010 - There is a circus poster from W.W. Cole's circus of "Aeriel the Flying Man." I'm intrigued by this poster, and would like to know more, like did he really fly and what his real name was? Any help would be great! - Leslie. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 12 Jun 2010 - Unless I've missed something, I don't think that any human has yet been able to fly, in the sense of initiating self-sustained movement from the earth's surface against gravity into the air, as is able to be accomplished by a bird, without the aid of some external source of energy or Providential intervention.
Flight has been a goal of man for centuries. Manifestations usually take the form of:
1. balloons [filled with "lighter than air" gases, namely hot air, helium or hydrogen];
2. gliding apparatus [wings or contoured surfaces that might utilize the principle of the airfoil discovered by the Wright brothers];
3. ground propulsion devices that overcome gravity [like a sling shot device];
4. devices with on-board propulsion [exemplified by the airplane]
5. combinations thereof.
Circuses, in reflecting human interest, have presented all of these types before the public. It was a time when Jules Verne novels inspired people to overcome gravitational and other limitations on the human body. The late Victorian era American circus was only too happy to bring such possibilities before the public.
Ballooning was an extremely popular free act in the years after the Civil War, especially in the 1860s-1870s, when war-surplus apparatus and expertise was readily available. The W. C. Coup circus had a balloon-style airship in the 1880s, shown in a poster [see the Freeman Hubbard book "Great Days of the Circus," page 69, with a man propelling the blade], and there were other examples, including a balloon race on the Coup show in the 1880s. A book, "The Eagle Aloft," is a good reference, and articles on the topic have been authored by Bob Parkinson and William L. Slout in "Bandwagon."
Gliding with somewhat of a controlled, gravity-propelled descent to earth was usually accomplished by jumping from an elevated perch, quite probably from a small platform attached near the top of a big top center pole. The c.1882 portrayal of the Aeriel act suggests this arrangement. The poster you enjoyed in the Durant book, or elsewhere, is now at the Cincinnati Art Museum. This may be a case wherein an act was proposed but never came to fruition. A quick search failed to reveal any confirmation on the Aeriel act. William L. Slout's book on the history of the W. W. Cole circus doesn't mention it. Gliding around within the confines of the big top may not have been feasible.
Propulsion devices include the human cannonball act and others means, including pseudo-arrows [Alar, on Barnum & Bailey, and later a revival recently on RBBB]; a lever-throw device [Lulu, the Human Meteor], which were popular from the 1870s unto even today. Fred D. Pfening composed a two-part survey of cannon acts in "Bandwagon." The Alar apparatus was patented, as were others. The Lulu contraption looks like something that a modern-day pumpkin chucker or reality show would-be might fearlessly ride.
There was a Professor Harriman's steam air ship portrayed in one 1880s circus poster for the S. H. Barrett circus, right out of Jules Verne. Several shows have had airplanes as curiosities, like one Newton operation and Fred Buchanan's Yankee Robinson in the 1910s. One or two traveling shows utilized helicopters as novelties after World War II.
The challenge is there for someone to gather together the documentation on flight and the circus and to synthesize a story from it. We should also mention the many aerial acts, in particular the trapeze acts that utilized a pendulum effect to create interim flight moments, and looping auto daredevil acts that leaped across "chasms." Fred Dahlinger
Reply: 16 Jun 2010 - Thank you for your through answer, very appreciated. - Leslie
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3371. Pan American Shows, 09 Jun 2010 - I am trying to find out more information about the Pan American Shows. I recently was given a photo of my husband's grandmother who was said to traveled with the circus. This photo was in the mid 1940's, however, other information indicates his grandmother was affiliated with the circus for years earlier, i.e. early 20's when my husband's father was born (1921). The back of the photo states "some of the show people". Her name was Anna Belle Caswell Eckhoff. Judy. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 10 Jun 2010 - Pan American Shows was utilized in three different periods as a traveling show title, and by as many different types of outdoor attractions: circus; animal show; and carnival. The most ambitious time was 1902-1904, when the title replaced "Lemen Bros. Circus" on a railroad outfit led by Frank V. Lemen. It was a grift outfit and was eventually taken over by others and sold to William P. Hall. Bert Chipman's 1933 book "Hey Rube" provides a lot of interesting reading about Lemen's activities.
Bob Parkinson's circus title list includes the year of 1908 as one for activity, but provides no details. It's possible that it relates to further use by Lemen, again. In 1906, his circus bore the name of Capt. Hale's Fire Fighters, so a title conversion wasn't anything out of the impossible.
In the 1940s-1950s there were several railroad car-based animal operations, traveling zoos or menageries, as well as others that moved on motor trucks over the highways. The railroad outfits were: London Trainway Exposition and Combined Musee (1940, proprietor unknown, one car, featured the world's largest hog, 1465 lbs., and perhaps a mermaid); Congo Cargo (1946, Sam Houston, three or four cars); British Africa Zoo (1951-1953, Howard Y. Bary, three cars); and Pan American Shows, of which there were two different editions, one on rail and the other on trucks. The general idea was to park the cars near a railroad station or in a freight yard, open the doors, and have the people walk through, the show publicity being newspaper ads, posters, handbills and local signage. The day when people went to such places for education or entertainment had passed and all of them eventually failed.
Someone named C. C. Smith operated the Pan American Show Train of 1943. It had a whale, a mermaid [!], a headless woman illusion, Popeye and a Punch & Judy outfit, and moved on a single railroad car. This outfit may have been on tour in 1942, as an advertisement exists that was used in one of these years: 1936, 1942 or 1953. The same mermaid cut had been used previously by the London Trainway Exposition, suggesting that they were somehow connected, suggesting operations 1940-1943. It may have been a successor to the Pacific Whaling Company operations.
Circus man W. F. Duggan, Sr. ( -1951) operated the Pan-American World-Wide Animal Exhibit from 1947 to 1949, and perhaps into 1950, too. The outfit was framed at Seguin, Texas, identified as the Dailey Bros. Circus winter quarters, during the winter of 1946-1947. It moved on trucks and showed under two tents, a 36 x 120 big top and a 22 x 40 sideshow. Duggan presumably realized the shortcomings of being tied to the tracks. The 1949-1950 version of the Pan-American Animal Exhibit and Monkey Circus is best known from surviving illustrated couriers. Though a "Mr. Paul Rice" of Rich Hill, Missouri, is mentioned as the proprietor, Duggan was the proprietor. The elephant Nancy was with it, and she is known as a Duggan asset. The courier stated "Exhibits Carried on Own Cars," but that was misleading. It was a truck and not a rail outfit. There is further information about Duggan's circus career in Joseph T. Bradbury's article, "Duggan Bros. Circus 1934," White Tops, LVIII, 2, pages 4-9.
Pan American Shows is also listed by Joe McKennon's "Pictorial History of the American Carnival" as being an active carnival title 1934-1959, but no details are provided. I don't recognize it as a railroad outfit, so it must have moved on trucks. Fred Dahlinger
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3370. New book, 08 Jun 2010 - I recently saw a review of a new circus book in Circus Report (May) but there was no mention of where it could be purchased. The title is 'Wild Animal Circus - True Tales from the Carson & Barnes Circus'. Does anyone know who sells this book and accompanying cd? D. Younger. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 09 Jun 2010 - Dion, you can buy a copy of your book and CD by sending $18.00 to: Dennis J. Younger, 1258 Randall Street, Apt. 215, Winona, MN 55987. Information is at this website: www.freewebs.com/circusdays2005, where there is also a contact e-mail address given. Fred Dahlinger
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3369. Free items, 08 Jun 2010 - I have an official route card for the Barnett Bros. Circus for the 1938 season, a 1977 program book from the Ringling Bros & Barnum and Bailey Circus and a record album titled: Music from the Big Top, played by Carl Stevens and His Circus Band. The record appears not to have ever been played. These items are FREE to anyone who wants them. Taker has to supply postage. I can be reached at: rlbtwinss@gmail.com. I am located in Philadelphia, PA. Rebecca. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 09 Jun 2010 - If you would consider allowing the Barnett Bros. Route Card to go to the York County Historical Society in South Carolina which is across the street from the original Barnett Bros. Circus winterquarters, I will gladly cover all expenses. Tell me how to get with you and I'll send you the money and the correct name and address to send it to. Bob Cline fivetiger@shtc.net.
Reply: 29 Jul 2010 - Are you able to identify if the 1977 program is for the Red Unit or the Blue Unit? Jen
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3368. Delta Woods Hatfield, 06 Jun 2010 - My great Aunt is Delta Woods Hatfield. Family legend says she ran away to a circus and married a man name Hatfield. My research shows that man was Fred Hatfield, who from what I read on your website was involved in the Campbell circus in late 1900s. My question is-what circus was Fred and Delta associated with? Time frame would be from 1920 on. Any info appreciated. Thank you, Janet Woods Leahy, Burlington, Ma. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 07 Jun 2010 - Dear Janet Woods Leahy: Fred Hatfield, nephew of the Campbell Bros. circus owners, was associated with the Campbell Bros. in the circus business and billed as one of the brothers. He was the son of Francis and Josie Hatfield and came to Fairbury with his parents at the age of 13. His wife was the former Delta Woods. After the dissolution of the circus (1912), he still continued in the show business, having a dog and pony show at the time of his death, July 16, 1939. He was the ring-master in the circus. When the Campbell brothers first started in show business (1894) Fred was listed as a talking and singing clown. In 1896 they started out as the Campbell Bros. as a wagon show. Fred Hatfield held many staff positions from 1896 to 1912 when the Campbell Bros. Consolidated Shows when bankrupt in Fairbury, Nebraska.
Fred Hatfield was the son of Martha Josie Campbell, born February 25, 1855 and Mr. Hatfield. Fred was born in October 1877.
Mary Albina Campbell, nee Connell, born July 8, 1834, at Adams County, Ohio. She was married on March 18, 1854 in the State of Indiana, Lafayette, Tippecanoe county and married by a Jared B. Mershon, Minister of the Gospel. Mary Campbell’s father was a Stephin Connell of Ohio. Mary Campbell’s children were:
Martha Josie Campbell, born February 25, 1855
Allen G. Campbell, born March 4, 1858
Edwin T. Campbell, born May 26, 1860
Virgil Campbell, born July 2, 1868
Jennie Campbell, Born July 2, 1868 (twins)
Charles Campbell, born October 2, 1870
I hope this helps, and when my book: “Cossacks, Indians & Buffalo Bill” comes out you may discover move Campbell Bros. show information. Richard A. Georgian, Email: rgeorgian@embarqmail.com
Reply: 07 Jun 2010 - In 1999, on another website, you posted a query about Verda Delta Woods Hatfield and gave her birthdate as August 24, 1890 in Gibson, County, Indiana. That data proved to be key to readily finding answers to your question.
Princeton, Gibson County, Indiana, was the home of long-time showman Ernest A. Harrington, who operated variety tent shows, a circus, and one of the last Uncle Tom's Cabin shows. His circus of 1932-1934, as well as a brief biography, is covered in Joseph T. Bradbury's article "Harrington's Nickel Plate Show, A Depression Circus Lasting Three Seasons." It was published in "Bandwagon," July-August 2001, pages 16-25. Therein, in the 1932 coverage, it is noted that Mr. and Mrs. Fred Hatfield presented the ponies and aerial act. The specific article is in "Billboard," June 4, 1932, page 53. Perhaps the Hatfields were hired because of Ms. Wood's pre-existing knowledge of Mr. Harrington's activities?
Another article, in "Billboard," May 21, 1932, page 34, declares: "Freddie Hatfield, known to the old-timers as Fred Campbell, of Campbell Bros.' Great Consolidated Shows." Fred and Delta Hatfield were found in the 1920 US Census, in Enid City, Garfield County, Oklahoma. Both were residing in a rooming house, married, Fred, age 43, a waiter, and Delta, age 29, unemployed. One assumes that they partook in the same show activities subsequent to their marriage.
There is a good possibility that Hatfield's marriage to Ms. Woods was reported in the matrimony listings of "Billboard," but unless someone has already found it, the entry will take some work to locate. Fred Hatfield's name did not come up in regular 1910 census searching, but he is in the 1910 census at Fairbury, Nebraska, listed as a single man, age 31 [T624/848/92]. The marriage to Ms. Woods must have taken place sometime later, between 1910 and 1920. Only ten years later Hatfield's age was given as 43, so it had some "variability."
The Campbell Bros. show history was recently covered by Bob Cline in "Bandwagon," January-February 2009, pages 3-29. Therein Hatfield's birth and death years are given as 1876 and 1937 (and also 1939). I assume that an obituary for him could be found in "Billboard." He's identified as a nephew of the Campbells. His mother, "Josie" Hatfield (-1949) was a sister of the Campbell brothers. There is further data given therein about Fred Hatfield's circus activities, including: Cole Bros. 1913, with Lee Greer; Greer and Hatfield's Trained Animal Shows in 1916; Glenn and Hatfield in 1922; Campbell and Hatfield in 1923; and Mr. and Mrs. Hatfield had a Lee & Howe circus reported as active 1931-1934. He gives Delta Hatfield's death as 1939, which conflicts with your 1973 date. Fred Dahlinger
Reply: 09 Jun 2010 - Thank you for your replies. Yes I just recently got back into researching Delta. Access to the 1920 census gave me the info that her husband was named Fred Hatfield. I cannot find Delta in 1910 census but found both Fred and Delta listed in 1930 census in Fairbury Nebraska (Listed as absent) in Campbell household. Fred is listed as proprietor of Traveling Circus and Delta is listed as actress of same. Family story is that Delta was so distaught when Fred died very suddenly that she spent time in a psychiatric hospital. She definitely did not die in 1939 because my father met her several times after that. Will see if I can track down Fred's obituary. Thank you again - Janet Woods Leahy
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3367. Route books, 05 Jun 2010 - I have been looking for two route books without success: Howe's Great London 1921 and Gollmar Bros 1922. Will trade or purchase. Thanks - Dave Price, cbmus@bellsouth.net. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3366. Miller Bros., 04 Jun 2010 - I need info on the Miller Bros., Jack, Mark, Bill and I believe Myrtle. Bryon. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3365. K.K.K. auspices, 29 May 2010 - In a Billboard article from February 21, 1925, it says "Slivers Johnson's act played Clarksburg, West Virginia under auspices of the K.K.K." Is this the Ku Klux Klan or another organization? Tom. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 30 May 2010 - It was the "real" Ku Klux Klan, which extensively infiltrated American life in the 1920s. Bob Morton's circus was sponsored by the Ku Klux Klan at Sarasota, FL in October 1926 and may have been the troupe in the 1925 operation. The booking was apparently accepted like any other fraternal sponsorship. Morton's indoor fraternal circus activity commenced sometime 1916-1918. Here's some background:
http://www.sarasotahistoryalive.com/stories/stories-by-jeff-lahurd/separate-but-not-equal/
and this is an advance story: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1787&dat=19261001&id=
X98cAAAAIBAJ&sjid=FmQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4325,3435633
The group's underlying agenda was not presented in the announcement. The "Billboard" obituary for Morton (1894-1956) is here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=hwoEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA76&dq=bob+morton+circus&hl=en&ei=
Vi4BTIFKkJI2tZfcOw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=
1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=bob%20morton%20circus&f=false
I believe that a piece of ephemera, perhaps a handbill, survives from a KKK-titled or associated circus. The circus was not always compliant with the Klan. George Conklin's memoir recounts a fierce battle with one local group, the worst in his memory:
http://books.google.com/books?id=sbzZMD7BRNEC&pg=PA238&dq=KKK+circus&hl=
en&ei=FDEBTMbFJIz8NZGlyDs&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=
5&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q&f=false, pages 238-241.
The Circus Fans Association long staged a Koo Koo Klub feature at their national conventions, but the K K K-style name was derived from the initials of an Evansville, Indiana newspaper editorial cartoonist with circus enthusiasm, Karl Kae Knecht (1883-1972), who helped to organize the group in the 1920s. Fred Dahlinger
Reply: 31 May 2010 - Thank you Fred, for responding to my question. Times sure have changed in America since the early 20th Century, but unfortunately racism is still prevalent. My grandfather has such a fascinating life story and I enjoy hearing about his days with the circus. Tom
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3364. Prince Savo, 28 May 2010 - I am looking for any information on a circus performer from NYC during the 1920's. His stage name was "Prince Savo" he swallowed live gold fish, ate light blubs, swallowed coins, laid on a bed of nails. His proper name was Joseph Tortorice. He performed with Barnum and Bailey. Thank you, Margaret. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3363. John Wilkes Booth mummy, 28 May 2010 - Go Go Luckey Productions is producing the History Channel's "Decoded" series. We are trying to track down the private owner of circus collectibles who owns the famous John Wilkes Booth mummy. If you have any information please contact me at 310-314-3900x-224. Thanks Arthur Maturo. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3362. Benjamin Brodsky, 25 May 2010 - I am looking for information on a Russian immigrant named Benjamin Brodsky, who joined with a circus performing in New York in the 1890s and went on to own part of the circus in the mid to late 1890s (and then sold it - apparently with headlines in the Saturday Evening Post about the sale). He also worked as an advance man for this circus and claimed advertising budgets of up to $150,000 (which may be exaggerated). The only other info I have on which circus it is is that its winter quarters were somewhere in Florida, it traveled to Tacoma and Spokane, Washington, and it had a lion among its menagerie. Anyway I would love to try to figure out which circus he worked for/owned and whether anyone has any further info on the circus and the man. Thanks. ERIC. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 27 May 2010 - The challenge of identifying the two circuses in the life of film maker Benjamin Brodsky (August 1, 1875/1877, Tektarin, Russia--February 15, 1960, Los Angeles, CA) is two-fold. First, there is no hard, factual information on his initial arrival and residence in America. This may be due in part to his Russian name and the aliases that he employed (Brasky, Bratushki, Polaski and Borden). Immigration, naturalization and census documentation remains to be identified. Secondly, his memoirs and other tertiary accounts provide very little in the way of characteristics that can be used in an analysis. He provides no show or personnel names, no specific locations with dates, no circus titles.
Birth years of 1875, 1877 and c1881 have been found in the literature (c1881 from his 1906 marriage license with Mamie Lebowitz). His mother died when he was 14 and presumably he knew of it first hand, before quitting his blacksmith apprenticeship and leaving the area of Odessa, Russia, embarking on the odyssey that ended with his landing in New York City on an English freighter. That would place his immigration sometime in or after 1889, 1891 or 1895. He somewhat indicates going to work directly for the circus upon arrival. In New York, that would mean a summer season, May to October.
His circus ownership was reportedly incurred at the age of 19; it could be 1894, 1896 or c1900. The latter date would seemingly be in conflict with his statement that he had owned the second circus before going to the Philippines after the conclusion of the Spanish-American War. That leaves the other two possibilities. He indicated that there were two owners of the circus and that he toured with it for four seasons before becoming half owner. That would establish circus employment as 1891-1894 or 1893-1896.
The scenario that best fits the data he provided is: birth in 1877; arrival in the US in mid-1891; circus activity 1891-1894 with ownership in 1894.
Brodsky reportedly put down $9000.00 for his half-share in the circus, after it had been seized and placed up for sale by a sheriff. That is a bit of an unusual twist, but perhaps it's possible. The value suggests a small to modest railroad circus. Brodsky's name doesn't appear in any circus title list, so he must have been a silent owner, or what is termed an "angel." The chance that it was a carnival is likely precluded by the 1891-1894 timing, before the carnival business really prospered. He makes no mention of when or how his investment in the circus came to a conclusion.
The accounts I found don't include the "Saturday Evening Post" article that you mention, nor the advance man position, the $150,000 advance budget, the Florida winter quarters or the travel to the Pacific Northwest. The latter two geographic factors would point to the troupe as being a railroad circus. No overland outfit ever spanned from Florida to the Pacific Northwest. A railroad circus would also be attested to by a $150,000 advertising budget, which would have been a show the size of Barnum & Bailey or Ringling Bros. It is, as you suggest, likely exaggerated to some degree. None of the railroad shows that wintered at one point in Florida in the 1890s, those of W. C. Coup, George W. Hall Sr. and W. H. Harris, quite match the array of criteria.
The second circus with which Brodsky was engaged was one that he acquired in Canada and took to China. No specifics are given for it. It failed there, in time for him to be in the US for the Spanish-American War of April-August 1898. He arrived in Manila after the conclusion of hostilities.
If you can provide a citation for the SEP article, or specific quotations, they will help to identify the circuses in which Brodsky had an ownership interest. Perhaps the material therein, with the analysis above, will be adequate for someone to identify the specific shows in which Brodsky invested his money.
For those intrigued by the Brodsky story, recommended reading includes: “Hong Kong Cinema” by Law Kar, Frank Bren and Sam Ho, 2004 [partially available on-line]
http://languagetips.chinadaily.com.cn/hkedition/2010-03/13/content_9583826.htm; and
http://www.offscreen.com/index.php/pages/essays/100_hk_cinema/. Fred Dahlinger
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3361. Richard Bodessa, 24 May 2010 - Hi! My name is Tyler and my father (Richard Bodessa) whom I've never met was in Wazzan circus group. He had a terrible fall in a routine and was no longer able to perform. I know he was good friends with another performer (Micky Barbie). If anyone has any information I would appreciate it. I also want to thank everyone who responded to my last post!! All the people past and present, hats off to you! What an amazing art form! Thanks, tyler, tylermel54@gmail.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3360. Swaypole accident, 24 May 2010 - Hello, about 1944, at the age of 12, I stood near an outdoor swaypole act when the pole broke near the top and the performer was killed in the fall. His wife was also part way up the pole and came down safely. This happened during a yearly carnival event in Salem, Illinois. The death made the front page of one of the St. Louis papers with a full length photo down the left edge of the page showing the full length of the 100 foot pole. Any information relating to this event would be appreciated. Thanks. Alan English, englishnm@att.net. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3359. Rex Ronstrom, 23 May 2010 - Hi, my name is Vik Foxx. My great grandfather was a friend of Emmett "Rex" Ronstrom. My great grandfather ended up with his famous leedy/ludwig zebra striped drum set. It was passed down to me and have since become a professional touring and recording drummer. I still own the drums which has the original logo bass drum head that say's Rex Ronstrom on it. My family was part of the vaudeville era that was the connection to Rex. Just wanted to share this information. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3358. Carroll Kingsley Miller, 23 May 2010 - I am interested to see if anyone has any information on my great grandfather Carroll Kingsley Miller of German descent. He was I believe the Barnum in the either late 1800's or early 1900's and was a either an aerialist or trapezist. I would appreciate any information. Thank you in advance. Janene Carles. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3357. Flying Battons, 22 May 2010 - I am searching for any information on the Flying Battons, a high trapeze German group in the mid to late 1800s. Thank you very much. Kate Jennings. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3356. Ella Kirtland, Louis Weigand, 22 May 2010 - Does anyone have any information on Ella Emeline Kirtland, b. 1854 in OH and her husband, Louis Henry Weigand, b. 1854. They were married Feb 09, 1881 in Milwaukee, WI, and were members of the Lilliputian Opera Company. Ella was the daughter of Capt. Charles Erastus Kirtland and his wife, Emeline E. Beckwith. Louis was the son of Henry Weigand and his wife Anna. I've found articles about them in newspapers from 1877 to 1881, primarily the Chicago Tribune. I haven't found anything about them after 1881. There was an 1888 article in the Chicago Tribune about the suicide of Louis Weigand, apparently because he was "unlucky in love," but I don't know if this is the same person. Sue Wilson. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3355. Jacky Phillips, clown, 19 May 2010 - I'm seeking information about 'Jacky Phillips' born in Niles, Ohio; who is thought to have joined Barnum & Bailey's circus ca 1910. He was a 'little person' employed as a clown. He is thought to have met his death somewhere in Pennsylvania as the result of a fall, and possible head trauma, probably unconnected with his employment. Hedley. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3354. Circuses, month of May, 18 May 2010 - What does the month of May have to do with the circus? I know Circus Day is May 19th – anything else? Jim Yarbrough. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 19 May 2010 - I suspect it's rooted back in much earlier customs (like June weddings for example), but the "first of May" was traditionally the day when the roads were dry and the weather warm enough for a traveling circus to give its first performance of a new season. In turn, it created the circus slang phrase "first of May" (akin to novice or rookie) referring to anyone just getting starting in the business, and/or just hiring out with a show. Lance Burton
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3353. Green Family circus, 18 May 2010 - I am trying to find any information on the Green Family circus which was around in the early 1900's. George Green, Edward (Ted) Green, Lois Green - contortionist - and not sure if any other family were with them. Any information would be a great help. Thank you Christine Green. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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3352. Doc Higgins, 18 May 2010 - My husband's grandfather was William Y. "Doc" Higgins, a veterinarian for the circus in the 50's and 60's. My mother in law Suzann Higgins Deppe has wonderful memories of growing up with the circus. A recent Google search of Doc Higgins' name brought me to your message board, where I have been in contact with a couple of folks who remember him well. One of them sent me a picture of Doc ministering to a bear, which thrilled Suzann to pieces!
This has led me on a new mission of seeking as many pictures and articles that mention Doc Higgins as I can find. I have already ordered five back editions of the Bandwagon that I understand from the searchable index mention Doc. I have also found several pictures of him after he left the circus, through the magic of Google.
Can anyone direct me to any further resources, besides the Bandwagon, where I might find pictures or mentions of Doc? I have pretty much exhausted Google as a resource. I came across one article that suggested Doc's memoirs were recorded by Bob Brisendine in 1966, when Doc was at the Atlanta Zoo. Are those memoirs stored anywhere? Thank you so much in advance for any help or advice you can provide, Wendy Deppe. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Reply: 21 May 2010 - I think the Ringling vet's name was Henderson (?) Rick.
Reply: 22 May 2010 - The Bob Brisendine collection is at Emory University. http://www.circushistory.org/History/Historians.htm. There is a brief description of it within this website. The link provided has been changed to a log-in. Try this link to the catalogue description: http://marbl.library.emory.edu/findingaids/browse_results?q=findingaids/content&id=brisendine947_1010137. Group 5, the recordings, doesn't associate anything specific with Higgins, but there are a number of unidentified reels. Richard J. Reynolds III may have some knowledge of the reported interview with Higgins. Fred Dahlinger
Reply: 22 May 2010 - I knew Doc Higgins in 1966 -1968 when he worked at the Atlanta zoo. Swell chap. I also knew Bob Brisendine well. It was he who put me onto Doc. Bob was a first rate circus historian - a great researcher of show dates in Georgia. Bob called me one day in January 1966, advising that the ex-Ringling vet Doc Higgins was working at the Atlanta zoo. Thereupon, I contacted Doc and we had a lot of good discussions, mostly about animals he worked with on the Ringling circus. I took a lot of notes from my conversations with Doc, and we corresponded some. When he was in Atlanta, he lived at 1540 San Gabriel Ave. Decatur, GA which is a city that adjoins Atlanta on its eastern side. I don't not think Brisendine had any written information from or about Doc, but I do. However, I never did know anything about Doc's veterinary work before he joined Ringling, like where he had gone to school, where he had worked previously, etc. The Social Security death index tells us that he was born on June 21, 1912, that his social security no. was issued in New Jersey, and that he died on November 15, 1999 in Mesa, AZ. As best I recall, Doc left the Atlanta zoo at or near the end of 1968 and re-joined the Ringling circus. It produced a second show in 1969. They named it the Blue Unit, and I think Doc went out with it. Meanwhile, I think the show's main or boss veterinarian, Dr. J. Y. Henderson, was with the Red show. I do not know how long Doc Higgins was with the circus on this go round. The photo of Doc Higgins treating the bear is from the 1955 RBBB route book. The last letter I had from Doc is dated March 30, 1982. He was then living at Lot no. 224, 4500 N. W. Blitchton Rd., Ocala , FL. - Richard Reynolds, Atlanta.
Reply: 22 May 2010 - I met Doc Higgins when I went to work for Atlanta Zoo in the Fall 1968. Doc left in late 1969/early 1970 at which time John Roth turned the position into a Curator of Mammals position (at the time we only had a Curator of Reptiles). I then became the first Curator of Mammals and Jackson became the Asst Curator (the City threw in the Assistant job since the reptiles had one). I don’t know much about Doc but the word on the street at the time was that his vet training was learned on the job at the circus. But I didn’t spend much time with him and did not get to know him well. Vernon
Reply: 22 May 2010 - Here is more on Doc - This is from John Roth who was the Atlanta zoo director from 1967 through 1969 and who now lives in North Carolina - he had a very special interest in the elephants (as he of course worked with many at the Ringling Circus). We became good friends, found then that he and his wife were religious people, often mentioning that God had a Hand in the life of all animals, and that the death of animals are God's decision (not much that Humans could do about it, such was his "Philosophy" about sick animals and about all life). After he returned to Florida, we stayed in touch, he later worked at an Animal Safari Park in Oregon for a while, and then he and his wife moved to the beautiful Prescott Valley in Arizona. I then lived again in Albuquerque and visited them there. After his wife died there, he moved to Mesa and I also went to see him and his new wife, they lived at a trailer park in Mesa, south of Phoenix. We stayed in touch and exchanged Christmas Cards each year even after I moved to North Carolina, then heard that Bill had passed away in 1999. I seem to recall that Bill got his Veterinary Degree at Cornell University, but never had any reason to see verification of that, as he did not "officially" perform any veterinary work at the Atlanta Zoo. During the 1967-1969 period when I was director, the City had an active contract with a local Georgia Vet.Clinic....Bill was often "critical" of the treatments they provided, but always spoke very highly of Dr. Henderson who he said "wrote the book" on circus elephant care. John Roth
Reply: 22 May 2010 - Doc Higgins photo is in the 1955 program. Also I think his name is mentioned in the movie “The Greatest Show on Earth” Bob
Reply: 23 May 2010 - Oh everyone, thank you SOOOO much for your memories and information!!! I am thrilled and I know Suzann will be so excited! I am making her a scrapbook of what I have found, and I can't wait to show it to her!! I really, really appeciate everyone who has written in! From what I understand from Suzann, Doc was trained at Cornell, but as a small-animal vet, not a large-animal. According to family legend (who knows how true this story really is?!) the first time he had to sedate a lion for a minor procedure he was a bit nervous that it would not stay asleep the entire time...the way the story is told, he did his job very well as the lion slept for 3-4 days! My mom and I have a trip planned for this summer to see the Brisendine collection at Emory. This is so exciting!!! Judy Griffin has forwarded me a picture from John Roth of Doc working on the gristmill at the Atlanta Zoo. What a treasure! Thank you everyone! Wendy
Reply: 24 May 2010 - This is off topic and is about Bob Brisendine rather than Doc Higgins, but I don't know where else to work it in. Years ago Kenneth Feld was on the old Larry King Radio Show and one "Bob from Atlanta" called in to ask if Feld were aware of the case of the poisoned RBBB elephants who died during the 1941 Atlanta date and shortly thereafter. Feld said he had not previously known the story. Later when Richard hosted the CHS in Atlanta, Bob made a cameo appearance and I asked him if he had been that "Bob from Atlanta." He replied, "Probably so." Dave
Reply: 25 May 2010 - Here is more from John Roth. - Hello Richard: After looking over the email response I sent you, I suddenly remembered Higgins beloved wife's name. Her name was GENEVA, and they met when she was a seamstress working at a circus (maybe Ringling's or another one at the time? But you probably have this information as well. I have not been in a habit (like you) to keep "old" correspondence and items from the past. Thus now, I don't remember the lady's name who I think was his wife when I visited them in Mesa, Arizona. However it was her who notified me that Bill died in 1999 after receiving my Christmas Card then. She was much younger than Bill, and I think she was the nurse when when Geneva was in the hospital in Phoenix. Anyway, if there is more to "reconstructing" the Doc Higgins history, will appreciate to get email copies. Thanks, John Roth
Reply: 26 May 2010 - Dave, I love your story about Bob from Atlanta! I have a trip planned next month to Atlanta to see his collection at Emory. I can't wait!
Bob, thank you for the clue about the 1955 program - I have just bought a copy off of ebay and can't wait to see it! Suzann has mentioned to me about the Greatest Show on Earth, that is so cool!
Mr. Roth, thank you for the added stories! Yes, my husband's grandmother's name was Geneva. She is listed in one Bandwagon article as "Selma Higgins"; Suzann tells me her legal name was Selma but she went by Geneva always. My husband thinks Doc's second wife was Jo Ann, but he's not sure. My own husband is Doc's namesake and goes by Bill...neither one of us knew that Doc was known as Bill to others as well!
I am putting together a scrapbook of articles and pictures that I have come across, for Suzann's birthday this summer. I have found quite a few gems including a picture of Doc with Frasier the lion and an accompanying article about Frasier's death (Frasier was not a circus lion, but rather with the Lion Country Safari). There are a few other smatterings of articles about a young Ringling giraffe that died, and a new herd of elephants, in which Doc is mentioned. I'm happy to share what I've found with you all! And of course as always if anyone has any other pictures or articles I'd love to include those in the scrapbook. My email address is auntwendy@gmail.com. I've also posted some of what I've found on my blog (May 18th entry, and you can also see pictures of my Bill there!) http://stepinthetrenches.blogspot.com/
Suzann is going to be so thrilled to read all of your memories of her beloved dad! Thank you all so much for taking the time to comment!
Wendy
Reply: 27 May 2010 - If Dr. Higgins was a direct employee of RBBB, rather than a contracted consultant, there will be an employment card for him in the 1938-1956 employment cards in the RBBB Business Records in the Circus World Museum library. Fred Dahlinger
Reply: 08 Jun 2010 - Hello all, I don't want to clutter up the message board, but I thought some of you might be interested in knowing exactly what I have uncovered on Doc. So far I have found mentions of him and a handful of pictures in 29 different places! There are of course quite a few circus items, but several non-circus items as well from his time at the Atlanta Zoo and other places. I've written a list of articles I found in chronological order on the June 7th entry of my blog: http://stepinthetrenches.blogspot.com/. Thank you again to all who took the time to contribute to my efforts! I head to Emory in two weeks, and then I'll start putting the scrapbook together. Suzann is not going to know what to do with herself! :) Wendy
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3351. Thelma Hill, 16 May 2010 - Looking for someone who might have any information about a lady named Thelma Hill? I had a short aquaintence with her in 1964 at El Paso, Tx. where she had an amusement park and at the time was associated with R. A. Miller who owned a shopping center circus/kiddy ride unit, "Miller Bros. Circurama." It was a time of a new beginning in my life and she was a great help at a very difficult time. She helped me with my 6 week old daughter while I was training a new Dog Act and learning to work and handle an elephant "Jesse" that I would continue for about 12 years. My husband, Ray Olive and I became co-owners of the unit when R.A.Miller died in 1970. I hope she is still living and would hope someone has information about her. Betty Olive, olive.betty@gmail.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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